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Jews leaving the UK

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Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 10:42

I dont blame them. I would if I were Jewish.

They have been failed by their country, which is the UK. I wish them well and hope the UK can sort its anti semitism problems so it becomes safe for Jewish people again.

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PurpleThistle7 · 06/10/2025 13:28

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 13:24

If what's happening in Gaza is because Jewish people feel unsafe in light of Hamas and they are therefore simply defending themselves...

Surly Israel would be scarier than london

My friends who are considering it say that it would feel better to know who your enemy is instead of being constantly anxious about who hates you

WhatASlump · 06/10/2025 13:29

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You are literally demonstrating the point. The way you are framing it is that any Israeli or any person who supports the right of Israel to exist is not ‘innocent’. So Jews who are against Israel are ok. Jews who believe Israel should exist as a Jewish state (ie most of them) are not.

The anti-Israel sentiment has become so extreme that unless you are an anti-Zionist you are guilty and basically fair game. This is where the pro-Palestine movement is anti-Semitic.

It’s like saying, ‘Im not Islamophobic, Im just against people who support the right of Pakistan to exist (ie 99% of Muslims)’

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 13:30

PurpleThistle7 · 06/10/2025 13:28

My friends who are considering it say that it would feel better to know who your enemy is instead of being constantly anxious about who hates you

I wonder how many Palestinians are going back just now given how fair the fight is there and how anti semitism is the real problem not the current racist undertones and anti immigration overt rhetoric. Do you think a Palestinian person would want to go back to Gaza right now? Because better the devil you know? Doesn't seem wildly likely

Bambamhoohoo · 06/10/2025 13:30

We do need to protect Jews. But although we are not perfect by any standards, i would say we do a good job here. I used to work with the Jewish community in Hendon through my old job and was often told nowhere was safe, but the uk was better than most countries.

i think it’s awful that a whole religion lives waiting to be exiled, and that this has happened throughout history.

Honeycottage · 06/10/2025 13:31

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 13:24

If what's happening in Gaza is because Jewish people feel unsafe in light of Hamas and they are therefore simply defending themselves...

Surly Israel would be scarier than london

Or maybe it shows you how scary London is for Jews now?

Santasjingleballs · 06/10/2025 13:31

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Doobiesista · 06/10/2025 13:31

tiv2020 · 06/10/2025 12:25

Any ideas where Palestinians who don't feel safe in Gaza should go to?
Asking for a friend....

What's that got to do with British Jews?

BluntPlumHam · 06/10/2025 13:33

Quackcow · 06/10/2025 13:17

Right now you are useful to them in clocking their jew hatred.

Why is opposing genocide Jew hatred?

I’m so confused by these threads of late in the wake of the recent attack.

Do you genuinely believe for two years the sheer amount of diverse people from all walks of life that have consistently been out protesting (the protests are just getting bigger) are doing so for ‘jew hatred’?

The utter absurdity of you to come to that conclusion suggests deliberate weaponisation of one atrocity to justify one of the most heinous mass atrocities of our time. Give your head a wobble.

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 13:34

Doobiesista · 06/10/2025 13:31

What's that got to do with British Jews?

If a British Jewish person is feeling they want to go and settle in Israel, a country on the offensive of it's neighbouring region to the point of murdering hundreds of thousands of people including children in the past year or 2 because Israel is defending itself because Palestine is such a threat then they SHOULD feel threatened in Israel. If they don't it underlines the utterly ridiculous double think this response requies

Santasjingleballs · 06/10/2025 13:34

Honeycottage · 06/10/2025 13:18

As a Jew born in Btitain I do not feel safe. The antisemitism is endemic.
The marches are hateful, the BBC is biased & won't even call Hamas terrorists & will broadcast death chants to Jews, & I'm scared to use the NHS because of antisemitism.

Don't even ask me to about the antisemitism that I have experienced in our schools & universities. How do we pick a university for our children when the campuses are not safe for Jewish students? That is why we are talking about leaving our homes & country of birth, for our children's safety & future. So very sad 😔

does the term “terrorism” apply to the Israeli government too ?

Lavender14 · 06/10/2025 13:37

WhatASlump · 06/10/2025 13:29

You are literally demonstrating the point. The way you are framing it is that any Israeli or any person who supports the right of Israel to exist is not ‘innocent’. So Jews who are against Israel are ok. Jews who believe Israel should exist as a Jewish state (ie most of them) are not.

The anti-Israel sentiment has become so extreme that unless you are an anti-Zionist you are guilty and basically fair game. This is where the pro-Palestine movement is anti-Semitic.

It’s like saying, ‘Im not Islamophobic, Im just against people who support the right of Pakistan to exist (ie 99% of Muslims)’

But again, this is very black and white thinking. I think people can respect the right of Israel to exist and be run as a Jewish state, but ALSO expect Israel (as I would with any government or state) to act with caution and moderation when defending themselves as needed. I have no issue specifically with the existence of Israel and understand why it is important that Israel exists, but the issues around reconciliation and dispute with Palestine, specifically Hamas, and Israels recent retaliatory actions have, to me, now escalated to a point that I dont think is is defensible any more. And I say that as someone who grew up in the midst of a civil war and does understand the generational trauma and the fear that goes along with that and knowing a demographic of the country you live in want you out.

ruth87 · 06/10/2025 13:37

BluntPlumHam · 06/10/2025 13:33

Why is opposing genocide Jew hatred?

I’m so confused by these threads of late in the wake of the recent attack.

Do you genuinely believe for two years the sheer amount of diverse people from all walks of life that have consistently been out protesting (the protests are just getting bigger) are doing so for ‘jew hatred’?

The utter absurdity of you to come to that conclusion suggests deliberate weaponisation of one atrocity to justify one of the most heinous mass atrocities of our time. Give your head a wobble.

Thank BluntPlumHam, I echo everything you say. To claim protesting genocide or wanting to see an end of Israeli war crimes against the Palestinians is "antisemitic" is totally absurd. Not only absurd but a totally insult to those Jews who have been or could be REAL victims of ACTUAL antisemitism.
As a British Jewish person, I'm sick to death of seeing the antisemitism card being branded about so casually. It's almost laziness.
Nothing wrong with being proudly Jewish AND pro-Palestinian.

wrongthinker · 06/10/2025 13:38

PurpleThistle7 · 06/10/2025 13:27

This thread is depressing.

  1. Israel isn’t unique - many countries have a religious basis. Including the UK which is Christian. But also including the many Muslim countries.
  1. People telling Jews they shouldn’t feel anxious after one attack is ridiculous. It starts with one - we can show that time and time again in history. Then everyone says we deserved it for whatever reason (murdering Christian babies in the inquisition, running all the banks in 1930s Germany, Israel’s war in 2025). Then everyone feels encouraged to try again and again until we are kicked out of another country or murdered en masse. Any Jewish family has a story from each generation.
  1. I am amazed I finally found that mythical Jewish person who goes on these horrific marches. Keep hearing about them! I know none in my actual life.

I do not feel safe. But I don’t feel safe anywhere else either. I really, really don’t want to miss the moment where I should take my kids and run for it - as so many did in ww2. There’s always a moment that figure generations know about but you can easily miss when you’re living it. And I worry a lot that I won’t recognise it if it comes.

That's what I keep thinking. The fact that people went out marching and cheering for Hamas hours after an Islamist terror attack on a synagogue... and 'ordinary people' saw no issues there. It does make me wonder if that was the moment, the tipping point.

Bigminnie1 · 06/10/2025 13:38

MissyB1 · 06/10/2025 12:24

Two whole families? Gosh it’s an exodus!!

When Jews say they are worried, people like you don’t believe us. You are wrong. I am Jewish and I know hundreds and hundreds of Jewish people in the U.K. The conversation around all of our tables is one of anxiety and fear. Disbelief that we are in this situation in the U.K. in 2025. In all my 54 years, I have never felt like this. And so many of these people I know are talking about leaving , about going to Israel.
So quit the attitude and believe Jews when they are speaking.

Verv · 06/10/2025 13:38

tiv2020 · 06/10/2025 12:25

Any ideas where Palestinians who don't feel safe in Gaza should go to?
Asking for a friend....

And the Jewish people in the UK are responsible for this, are they?

Christ, it doesn't even hide its face anymore does it.

Honeycottage · 06/10/2025 13:40

Santasjingleballs · 06/10/2025 13:34

does the term “terrorism” apply to the Israeli government too ?

Seriously, out if everything I've just said about how safe I feel a British citizen living in the UK, the 1 thing you want to comment on is another government's foreign policy?

Where is your humanity & moral compass?

ruth87 · 06/10/2025 13:40

Santasjingleballs · 06/10/2025 13:34

does the term “terrorism” apply to the Israeli government too ?

I would hope so! Considering it's PM is current wanted on war crimes charges..

BluntPlumHam · 06/10/2025 13:42

ruth87 · 06/10/2025 13:37

Thank BluntPlumHam, I echo everything you say. To claim protesting genocide or wanting to see an end of Israeli war crimes against the Palestinians is "antisemitic" is totally absurd. Not only absurd but a totally insult to those Jews who have been or could be REAL victims of ACTUAL antisemitism.
As a British Jewish person, I'm sick to death of seeing the antisemitism card being branded about so casually. It's almost laziness.
Nothing wrong with being proudly Jewish AND pro-Palestinian.

It’s just so disrespectful to the families who are mourning the victims that died from the attack. It was mere hours that people jumped on mumsnet calling and blaming the marches which was a deliberate weaponisation of those victims and their Jewish identity to somehow in a sick and twisted way to justify a full blown genocide.

InsectsMatter · 06/10/2025 13:43

BoredZelda · 06/10/2025 11:06

What more? It is illegal, it is prosecuted, it is socially unacceptable. What else do you want?

Anti Semitism is not “unacceptable” in the UK; Jewish doctors are routinely being bullied and harassed in the NHS, for example.

Matthew Syed wrote a front page article in the Sunday Times about the appalling Jew hate expressed by the majority of marchers on the last pro Palestine March. This was not just anti Israeli sentiment, it was hatred of Jews.

Anti semites and their useful handmaidens like you should educate themselves. You all repulse me.

Lifecanbebeautiful12 · 06/10/2025 13:43

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Santasjingleballs · 06/10/2025 13:44

Honeycottage · 06/10/2025 13:40

Seriously, out if everything I've just said about how safe I feel a British citizen living in the UK, the 1 thing you want to comment on is another government's foreign policy?

Where is your humanity & moral compass?

Don’t you think the Israeli governments actions are making you feel unsafe ? Do you not think they’re being anti Semitic?

Bigminnie1 · 06/10/2025 13:45

Santasjingleballs · 06/10/2025 13:21

The marches have nothing to do with Jews it’s aimed at the zionists

Do you actually know what a Zionist is? You do know that the vast majority of Jews in the world are Zionists.

DottieMoon · 06/10/2025 13:45

mugglewump · 06/10/2025 10:54

There are over 1/4 million Jews in Britain. This is a story about 2 families moving/going back to Israel. Is this really a trend?

IMO anti-semetism and anti-Israeli government are not the same thing. I am proud of my Jewish heritage, I find Netanyahu dispicable.

Agree.

Starmer and many people are pushing that that protesting against a genocide caused by Israel (not Jews) is antisemitic which is absolute bollocks.

I don't deny that there is an increase in antisemitism which is appalling but there is also in Islamophobia which gets ignored conveniently. I think the UK government is letting all sides down.

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Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 13:46

legrandcolbert · 06/10/2025 11:50

The Jewish population of the UK is less than half of one percent, so around 300,000. That's a minuscule amount, but many of us have been here for centuries, ever since Thomas Cromwell allowed us back into the country (having been expelled in the later 1200s (I think). As for others, some, like my family came to the UK in the late 1800s as a result of pogroms in Eastern Europe.

I might be ethnically Jewish, but I am also British, born in London, hold a UK passport. English is my mother tongue. Unusually for a Jew, I do not speak or read Hebrew although I can speak a little Yiddish. Tell me; where should I go?

More importantly, why should I leave? Why can't more be done to ensure antisemitism is properly stamped out. Zero tolerance, nothing less. Why is hatred of Jews - that's what antisemitism means - so endemic in the UK? One only has to read threads on here. It's insidious, it's so ingrained in the very fabric of the UK that many do not even realise they are antisemitic/supporting antisemitic tropes. There is also little knowledge about the history of the middle east, or even the fact that Judaism predates Islam by many millennia. This is frustrating, more so when I have people tell me that they have no problem with the modern state of Israel, but.... The but is always followed by something either antisemitic or woefully ignorant about Jewish history. Getting back to the UK, from the moment Jews came here, there has been antisemitism. It was at fever pitch in the 1930s and 40s thanks in part to the press such as the Daily Mail whipping up an antisemitic frenzy. It was only during the war when they realised what was happening to Jews in Europe that the Daily Mail changed tracks. But, over time, the antisemitism has crept back in, how could it not? It is never far from the surface. Today, the media are still culpable, ditto the present government.

To return to WWII, when fleeing Eastern Europe, many Jews choose not to settle in the UK because they did not feel safe here, it was too close to Europe. I have long wished my family had gone to the US too.

In real life, I do not engage with discussions about being Jewish or what is happening in Israel and Gaza because it's too distressing. I do not leave the house when there are marches happening as I feel uncomfortable, not that anyone would even know I am Jewish. But, I live in Central London, and seeing throngs of people supporting those who would happily see death to all Jews is too much for me. I make no bones that Hamas = radical Islam who are unashamed in their desire to kill all Jews (much like they are killing Nigerian Christians at present). While some attend pro-Palestinian marches with good liberal intentions, they're useful idiots blithely ignoring that one day, they will be Hamas' next target. They are, and to repeat, happily joining forces with those whom do not have good intentions, those who do truly hated Jews.

All of this.

People need education. Jewish people have always lived in the middle east (and elsewhere). Judaism is older them Islam. The Ottoman empire was in the middle east with their colonisation... Palestinian people do not have the right to the entire area, all of it wasn't stolen as people pretend! So much misinformation.

Antisemitism is wrong and growing.

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