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Jews leaving the UK

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Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 10:42

I dont blame them. I would if I were Jewish.

They have been failed by their country, which is the UK. I wish them well and hope the UK can sort its anti semitism problems so it becomes safe for Jewish people again.

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Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 20:07

Liverpool2025 · 06/10/2025 19:58

OP have you spent time in the area?

I have but what's that got to do with Britain telling either Israel or Hamas who still currently govern Gaza what to do.

There are numerous nations in agreement with the latest peace plan including surrounding Arab nations but ultimately it's Israel and whomever might govern gaza when Hamas go to decide what to do. Hopefully whomever the government of Gaza make better choices than terrorism which incites war.

I believe in a 2 state solution with 2 nations living side by side which currently seems a long way off

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Onmytod24 · 06/10/2025 20:07

Poetnojo · 06/10/2025 19:57

There has NEVER in all of history been an independent country called Palestine, EVER

Just wrong

PurpleThistle7 · 06/10/2025 20:07

Fairyliz · 06/10/2025 19:03

I am so sorry that this is happening. Is there anything that ordinary non Jewish people like me can do?

Thank you for asking. Honestly the best and most useful thing is to believe us when we speak. If we say things are scary and awful just say exactly what you said and let us say what we want to. I’m so tired of people telling me I’m imagining it.

and reach out to your Jewish friends when things like last week happen. I was so grateful to my friends for checking in.

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 20:10

Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 20:07

I have but what's that got to do with Britain telling either Israel or Hamas who still currently govern Gaza what to do.

There are numerous nations in agreement with the latest peace plan including surrounding Arab nations but ultimately it's Israel and whomever might govern gaza when Hamas go to decide what to do. Hopefully whomever the government of Gaza make better choices than terrorism which incites war.

I believe in a 2 state solution with 2 nations living side by side which currently seems a long way off

What are your feelings on the choices Israel is making currently? Is it proportionate and acceptable in your opinion?

Those children dying daily are they acceptable collateral damage for you?

CopperWhite · 06/10/2025 20:11

Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 19:45

After the collapse of the Ottoman empire the British took on the area for a while. After the end of WW2 the state of Israel was created on a tiny bit. Numerous times Palestinians could have agreed to a 2 state solution but they wanted the lot. They weren't even known as Palestinians back then, that term was coined later.
After Israel was made a state numerous Arab nations launched a war against Israel. Israel won. The Gaza Strip was Jordanian land. Hamas wanted it all and set out to kill Israelis and nothing much changed about that situation and Israel defends itself from constant missile attacks, until the massive terrorist attack started this latest conflict.
The British aren't responsible for Palestine people. Obviously thats a quick summary and much land was actually sold to Israel and not stolen. Palestinian people were told to leave by Arabs who thought they'd win the war and take the lot they could come back again... they didn’t win that war. Many wars are fought over the years and losing sides rarely get to dictate terms.

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Your view is warped. Let me help.

After the end of WW2, the state of Israel was created on a significant portion of the land that had been commonly known for centuries as Palestine. To create Isreal, thousands of people were killed and buried in mass graves, or driven from their homes into the portion of land that the UN said that Palestinian people were entitled to. Arab nations fought back against this western colonialism but Isreal continued to take more of the land that had been left to Palestinians and created an apartheid state where Palestinians were treated as less than second class citizens. As the Israeli government continued to restrict the rights of Palestinians, their access to food, water, medicin and the rest of the world, all the time backed by British and American money, an oppressed population has fought back with a few largely ineffectual rockets. It isn’t fair fight where both sides have a valid chance of winning.

This contributes to the many reasons why people march.

Moving to Isreal directly contributes to the ongoing colonisation of the West Bank. I find it terrifying that people are ok with announcing they are willing to set up home on land that has just been brutally stolen from people who are now living refugee camps a few miles away.

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 20:14

Out of interest OP do you know all the befits offered to Jews willing to relocate to israel? Do you know all that is offered and all theyr receive in return for their relocation? Where do you think everything handed to those people comes from? The homes, the land? Is someone over there building new houses on previously unoccupied soil?

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 20:16

CopperWhite · 06/10/2025 20:11

Your view is warped. Let me help.

After the end of WW2, the state of Israel was created on a significant portion of the land that had been commonly known for centuries as Palestine. To create Isreal, thousands of people were killed and buried in mass graves, or driven from their homes into the portion of land that the UN said that Palestinian people were entitled to. Arab nations fought back against this western colonialism but Isreal continued to take more of the land that had been left to Palestinians and created an apartheid state where Palestinians were treated as less than second class citizens. As the Israeli government continued to restrict the rights of Palestinians, their access to food, water, medicin and the rest of the world, all the time backed by British and American money, an oppressed population has fought back with a few largely ineffectual rockets. It isn’t fair fight where both sides have a valid chance of winning.

This contributes to the many reasons why people march.

Moving to Isreal directly contributes to the ongoing colonisation of the West Bank. I find it terrifying that people are ok with announcing they are willing to set up home on land that has just been brutally stolen from people who are now living refugee camps a few miles away.

Yep! British Jewish people taking advantage of the 'move to Israel and benefit from Aliyah ' are actively contributing the horrors in Gaza. I'm as horrified that someone wants that as that they feel they'd be safer. It's unconscionable

Fuzzywoo · 06/10/2025 20:16

legrandcolbert · 06/10/2025 17:25

Thank you so much Parma. I so rarely stick my head above the parapet but am just sick to death of it all.

Growing up, I was almost ashamed to be Jewish. I went to a predominantly CofE school, and in my year, there were only two other Jews. I had no Jewish friends, quite a lot of antisemitic teachers who took great glee in making comments about my absence from school at the beginning of each school year due to Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur. I have been othered, and to a degree, Schrodinger's Jews. To white for some, not white enough for others. The irony is of course that despite coming from an unblemished and totally pure Jewish line, indeed, no-one has ever married out and I also have two BCRA mutations, am only culturally and ethnically Jewish. Although we observed Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, we didn't keep kosher, we rarely went to shul, and I have never been to Israel. Heck, for various reasons, my father did not have a bat mitzvah.

Over the years, I distanced myself from Judaism. And besides, it's something that flows in one's blood, not dependent on religious beliefs. However, over the pandemic, I had some older Jewish friends and they invited me for various things, and it was brilliant. I started to properly embrace my heritage and did a lot of reading. Antisemitism has. always been on my radar but because I don't look stereotypically Jewish (in itself an antisemitic thing to think/say), a lot of people would talk shit about Jews, not realising I was one. And then October 7 happened. I woke up. I became proud of my heritage, after all, my family line exists because it has managed to survive when so many others Jewish people have been killed. Survival is literally in my blood. I properly embraced my Jewish heritage, and it made me realise I needed to stand up and be more vocal. While I do not condone Netanyhau's actions, I understand why he is doing what he is doing. Fair play to him for taking Hamas on.

Good for you for embracing your Jewish heritage and identity.

However, why does that mean accepting the actions of a man like Nethanyahu?

Why does the government of Israel taking on Hamas justify the killing thousands and thousands of women and children? Laying waste to Gaza and making it inhospitable to life?

You can be a proud Jewish person without it meaning you have to support the actions of a far, far right Israeli government because Israel is your spiritual home. A government that has in trying to find retribution against the horrendous actions Hamas have perpetrated even worse heinous actions against Gazan civilians on a scale that people thought would never be possible in this day by a supposedly civilised, western leaning and western backed country. To add salt in the horrendous wound, there is not a sanction in sight for the country. Sanctions that would have been raised immediately on any other country for the many documented, proven genocidal acts against civilians in Gaza.

Be a proud Jew and be happy you have a spiritual home in Israel.

But remember your humanity. Support Israel, but not the current genocidal Israeli government.

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 20:18

Fuzzywoo · 06/10/2025 20:16

Good for you for embracing your Jewish heritage and identity.

However, why does that mean accepting the actions of a man like Nethanyahu?

Why does the government of Israel taking on Hamas justify the killing thousands and thousands of women and children? Laying waste to Gaza and making it inhospitable to life?

You can be a proud Jewish person without it meaning you have to support the actions of a far, far right Israeli government because Israel is your spiritual home. A government that has in trying to find retribution against the horrendous actions Hamas have perpetrated even worse heinous actions against Gazan civilians on a scale that people thought would never be possible in this day by a supposedly civilised, western leaning and western backed country. To add salt in the horrendous wound, there is not a sanction in sight for the country. Sanctions that would have been raised immediately on any other country for the many documented, proven genocidal acts against civilians in Gaza.

Be a proud Jew and be happy you have a spiritual home in Israel.

But remember your humanity. Support Israel, but not the current genocidal Israeli government.

Fair play to him? For murdering hundreds of thousands of young children. FAIR. PLAY. TO. HIM. WTAF

PurpleThistle7 · 06/10/2025 20:20

CopperWhite · 06/10/2025 20:11

Your view is warped. Let me help.

After the end of WW2, the state of Israel was created on a significant portion of the land that had been commonly known for centuries as Palestine. To create Isreal, thousands of people were killed and buried in mass graves, or driven from their homes into the portion of land that the UN said that Palestinian people were entitled to. Arab nations fought back against this western colonialism but Isreal continued to take more of the land that had been left to Palestinians and created an apartheid state where Palestinians were treated as less than second class citizens. As the Israeli government continued to restrict the rights of Palestinians, their access to food, water, medicin and the rest of the world, all the time backed by British and American money, an oppressed population has fought back with a few largely ineffectual rockets. It isn’t fair fight where both sides have a valid chance of winning.

This contributes to the many reasons why people march.

Moving to Isreal directly contributes to the ongoing colonisation of the West Bank. I find it terrifying that people are ok with announcing they are willing to set up home on land that has just been brutally stolen from people who are now living refugee camps a few miles away.

it’s Israel for what it’s worth.

and yes - horrible things have and are happening. All over the world. Since the dawn of time. And there are countless examples of someone fighting for land, winning and then colonising it. Again - unsettling but not exactly surprising.

and wars aren’t fought between equal parties - that would be pointless and end in stalemate every time. Whatever crazy strength people think Israel has obviously isn’t enough or this would have been over years ago. Hamas has plenty of its own backers and hasn’t exactly capitulated in defeat. The civilian deaths are tragic but they’re literally human shields so I’m again not sure what anyone is meant to do in that situation. Plenty of civilians died in Germany and England and Japan.

I think a lot about Japan and America in ww2. Japan attacked and definitely regretted it. They fought for ages until America dropped the bombs, killing hundreds of thousands and destroying the next generation too. And just a few years later there were American tourists in Japan! I cannot imagine how that felt to the Japanese at the time, it’s bewildering to think about. I can’t quite see that happening in the middle east.

Fuzzywoo · 06/10/2025 20:20

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 20:18

Fair play to him? For murdering hundreds of thousands of young children. FAIR. PLAY. TO. HIM. WTAF

I don't think you have read my post properly.

dairydebris · 06/10/2025 20:22

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 19:48

This doesn't answer the question about why creating Israel was the UKs business but current situation isn't

The uk didn't create Israel.

The UK actually abstained on the vote regarding the partition. You could argue the UN drew the boundaries.

But the leadership and people of Israel created the nation as we know it.

The UN drew the lines, countries of the UN voted on it, the Jewish leadership of the time accepted. Israel declared herself and built herself.

Israel is now a sovereign nation and runs herself.

Why is it up to people in the UK what Israel does, anymore than what India or Pakistan or Iraq or Australia or the USA does?

I'll tell you. It's not. Its up to Israel.

Do feel free to protest with a load of antisemites about it. And do feel free not to care if Jewish people are intimidated.

But some might have opinions about that too.

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 20:22

Fuzzywoo · 06/10/2025 20:20

I don't think you have read my post properly.

I did not! I read what you quoted and had an apoplectic moment of hysteria at the horrors someone can boil down to 'fair play to him' and replied to your comment instead of searching original. Apologies.

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 20:23

dairydebris · 06/10/2025 20:22

The uk didn't create Israel.

The UK actually abstained on the vote regarding the partition. You could argue the UN drew the boundaries.

But the leadership and people of Israel created the nation as we know it.

The UN drew the lines, countries of the UN voted on it, the Jewish leadership of the time accepted. Israel declared herself and built herself.

Israel is now a sovereign nation and runs herself.

Why is it up to people in the UK what Israel does, anymore than what India or Pakistan or Iraq or Australia or the USA does?

I'll tell you. It's not. Its up to Israel.

Do feel free to protest with a load of antisemites about it. And do feel free not to care if Jewish people are intimidated.

But some might have opinions about that too.

And it's up to those of us horrified by Israel actions to make a song and dance about it best we can. So we can live with ourselves k owing the suffering being inflicted on others.

legrandcolbert · 06/10/2025 20:27

Fuzzywoo · 06/10/2025 20:16

Good for you for embracing your Jewish heritage and identity.

However, why does that mean accepting the actions of a man like Nethanyahu?

Why does the government of Israel taking on Hamas justify the killing thousands and thousands of women and children? Laying waste to Gaza and making it inhospitable to life?

You can be a proud Jewish person without it meaning you have to support the actions of a far, far right Israeli government because Israel is your spiritual home. A government that has in trying to find retribution against the horrendous actions Hamas have perpetrated even worse heinous actions against Gazan civilians on a scale that people thought would never be possible in this day by a supposedly civilised, western leaning and western backed country. To add salt in the horrendous wound, there is not a sanction in sight for the country. Sanctions that would have been raised immediately on any other country for the many documented, proven genocidal acts against civilians in Gaza.

Be a proud Jew and be happy you have a spiritual home in Israel.

But remember your humanity. Support Israel, but not the current genocidal Israeli government.

Patronising much? And please don't tell me what to do. Thanks.

Btw, Israel isn't my home land. I have no ties to it, no desire to visit it. However, millions of other Jews feel differently. I respect that. Given all the shit Jews have been through, there deserve someone to call their own, on land that was originally once theirs.

I am not responsible for Netanyahu's actions, and to be frank, I understand his stance. If Israel would have wanted to commit a genocide, they would have razed Gaza to the ground two years ago.

Fuzzywoo · 06/10/2025 20:28

PurpleThistle7 · 06/10/2025 20:20

it’s Israel for what it’s worth.

and yes - horrible things have and are happening. All over the world. Since the dawn of time. And there are countless examples of someone fighting for land, winning and then colonising it. Again - unsettling but not exactly surprising.

and wars aren’t fought between equal parties - that would be pointless and end in stalemate every time. Whatever crazy strength people think Israel has obviously isn’t enough or this would have been over years ago. Hamas has plenty of its own backers and hasn’t exactly capitulated in defeat. The civilian deaths are tragic but they’re literally human shields so I’m again not sure what anyone is meant to do in that situation. Plenty of civilians died in Germany and England and Japan.

I think a lot about Japan and America in ww2. Japan attacked and definitely regretted it. They fought for ages until America dropped the bombs, killing hundreds of thousands and destroying the next generation too. And just a few years later there were American tourists in Japan! I cannot imagine how that felt to the Japanese at the time, it’s bewildering to think about. I can’t quite see that happening in the middle east.

The West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem are not legitimate Israeli land. The map of Israel was drawn up when Israel was established.

Unfortunately, Israel later annexed those areas illegally. That is why the majority of the international community still state they are illegally occupied lands.

Israel wanting them to be classed as Israeli land, doesn't currently make it so despite the increasing, violent Israeli settlements that are happening.

dairydebris · 06/10/2025 20:39

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 20:23

And it's up to those of us horrified by Israel actions to make a song and dance about it best we can. So we can live with ourselves k owing the suffering being inflicted on others.

Ah I see. Its so you can live with yourself rather than because you believe its actually achieving anything. Other than intimidating Jewish people. But you didn't reply to my question about whether you mind about that. I think you've made yourself clear.

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 20:40

legrandcolbert · 06/10/2025 20:27

Patronising much? And please don't tell me what to do. Thanks.

Btw, Israel isn't my home land. I have no ties to it, no desire to visit it. However, millions of other Jews feel differently. I respect that. Given all the shit Jews have been through, there deserve someone to call their own, on land that was originally once theirs.

I am not responsible for Netanyahu's actions, and to be frank, I understand his stance. If Israel would have wanted to commit a genocide, they would have razed Gaza to the ground two years ago.

So to be clear you are saying you see the hundreds of thousands of dead children at netanyahus hands as acceptable? The motherless children? The hospitals being bombed? That's 'fair play' for you?

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 20:41

dairydebris · 06/10/2025 20:39

Ah I see. Its so you can live with yourself rather than because you believe its actually achieving anything. Other than intimidating Jewish people. But you didn't reply to my question about whether you mind about that. I think you've made yourself clear.

Because I believe protests can make a difference while doing nothing definitely won't make a difference.

dairydebris · 06/10/2025 20:42

Fuzzywoo · 06/10/2025 20:16

Good for you for embracing your Jewish heritage and identity.

However, why does that mean accepting the actions of a man like Nethanyahu?

Why does the government of Israel taking on Hamas justify the killing thousands and thousands of women and children? Laying waste to Gaza and making it inhospitable to life?

You can be a proud Jewish person without it meaning you have to support the actions of a far, far right Israeli government because Israel is your spiritual home. A government that has in trying to find retribution against the horrendous actions Hamas have perpetrated even worse heinous actions against Gazan civilians on a scale that people thought would never be possible in this day by a supposedly civilised, western leaning and western backed country. To add salt in the horrendous wound, there is not a sanction in sight for the country. Sanctions that would have been raised immediately on any other country for the many documented, proven genocidal acts against civilians in Gaza.

Be a proud Jew and be happy you have a spiritual home in Israel.

But remember your humanity. Support Israel, but not the current genocidal Israeli government.

Fucking hell.

Someone here telling Jewish people how to be a good Jew.

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 20:42

dairydebris · 06/10/2025 20:39

Ah I see. Its so you can live with yourself rather than because you believe its actually achieving anything. Other than intimidating Jewish people. But you didn't reply to my question about whether you mind about that. I think you've made yourself clear.

I do not wish for anyone to feel unsafe or suffer violence. Anyone at all. Anyone at all absolutely includes Jewish people in this country or any other country. Anyone of any colour or background or religion.

legrandcolbert · 06/10/2025 20:43

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 20:40

So to be clear you are saying you see the hundreds of thousands of dead children at netanyahus hands as acceptable? The motherless children? The hospitals being bombed? That's 'fair play' for you?

If Hamas don't care about the life of Gazans, why should I?

PurpleThistle7 · 06/10/2025 20:45

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 20:41

Because I believe protests can make a difference while doing nothing definitely won't make a difference.

You are right. They’ve made a massive difference in my life. My life and my daughter’s life is much worse now. Hope that’s satisfying for you.

I really hope you are doing something more productive as well. Volunteering or donating or training to be a nurse or supporting refugees. Anything really.

legrandcolbert · 06/10/2025 20:45

@Barnbrack And if you care so much, why aren't you putting pressure on Hamas to hand back the hostages? And speaking of murdered children, were you marching for the babies and children Hamas massacred on October 7?

dairydebris · 06/10/2025 20:47

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 20:42

I do not wish for anyone to feel unsafe or suffer violence. Anyone at all. Anyone at all absolutely includes Jewish people in this country or any other country. Anyone of any colour or background or religion.

Theres Jewish people telling you on this thread how intimidating they find these marches.
But you think its more important that your feelings are salved, so you can 'live with yourself', by protesting the actions of the Israeli government.

Someone's feelings have to come last I guess.