Jews leaving the UK

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I dont blame them. I would if I were Jewish.

They have been failed by their country, which is the UK. I wish them well and hope the UK can sort its anti semitism problems so it becomes safe for Jewish people again.

Theres protests almost daily outside some hotels, and they have been happening in towns across the uk for weeks and weeks.

What are some of the slogans they are shouting?
Do you personally know any Asian, Black or Arab people who find them intimidating?

Nobody from a Unite the Kingdom rally has stabbed anybody or harassed any Jewish people or harassed anybody at all. There were people from all ethnicities. Far more criminals were arrested at the Nottinghill carnival but despite the stabbings this was described as ‘mostly peaceful’.

The Palestinian marches on the other hand are rabid with the vilest racism this country has seen for many years.

But of course anti Semitism isn’t ‘real racism’ to you, is it.

send the “boat people back” ive seen on a live stream men shouting at the migrants calling them pedos, P*kis etc I have also seen some saying F israel F palestine horrible and other racial slurs. Burn the Quarn I could go on. There’s plenty of people who go to them and live stream them on tik tok

I’m not saying anti-semitism isn’t real and I agree it’s awful, but if you want the Palestine Marches banned because they make British Jews feel intimidated then so should the others as Black, Arabs and Asians also feel intimidated in both cases its wrong.
Notting Hill isn’t a protest its a carnival so I suppose that should be looked at differently

I'm BAME and I find them intimidating. I avoided London on the day of the march.

Oh fucking hell. What a world we live in.

I guess racism isnt illegal 😬. Antisemitism isn't illegal.

My personal opinion is that the marches should be allowed but anyone who goes on either stands a higher than average chance of being an ignorant racist.

Don't blame you.

Some people are prices. I'm sorry.

Don’t get me wrong I am in no means defending the anti-semitism on the Marches, I do stand by my earlier point that I believe not everyone there is anti semitic but it’s our freedom to protest in this country so if we ban one surely we should ban another. I don’t want any race, religion, gender, sexuality etc to feel intimidated

Thanks. It's why I sympathize with Jewish people for feeling under siege. And social media just exacerbates it.

Sure. Not everyone on the Palestine is antisemitic. But some are.
Not everyone on the flag shagger marches is a racist. But some are.

I wouldn't want to spend any time at all with either group, personally.

Protesters trying to intimidate people in hotels and chanting hostile slogans at them - no, I don’t agree with that either.

Er, be nice if it bloody well stopped!

When is mum‘sent going to take this thread down? It is full of lies and hatred and baiting and total lack of understanding about how everything works. It’s a pathetic and it’s an insult to what mum‘s net was about

After the collapse of the Ottoman empire the British took on the area for a while. After the end of WW2 the state of Israel was created on a tiny bit. Numerous times Palestinians could have agreed to a 2 state solution but they wanted the lot. They weren't even known as Palestinians back then, that term was coined later.
After Israel was made a state numerous Arab nations launched a war against Israel. Israel won. The Gaza Strip was Jordanian land. Hamas wanted it all and set out to kill Israelis and nothing much changed about that situation and Israel defends itself from constant missile attacks, until the massive terrorist attack started this latest conflict.
The British aren't responsible for Palestine people. Obviously thats a quick summary and much land was actually sold to Israel and not stolen. Palestinian people were told to leave by Arabs who thought they'd win the war and take the lot they could come back again... they didn’t win that war. Many wars are fought over the years and losing sides rarely get to dictate terms.

This doesn't answer the question about why creating Israel was the UKs business but current situation isn't

Of course it doesn’t. she’s cherry picked history to suit her twisted understanding. God knows where she learned her history.

Israel is a democratic nation. How could we tell them what to do anymore than any other country. Palestinians elected Hamas to govern them years ago and haven't had more elections since then, they wouldn't be too pleased the UK started dictating to them either.

Two state solution, which has been proposed many times in the past and Palestinians have turned it down over and over.

There has NEVER in all of history been an independent country called Palestine, EVER

Trade sanctions have been placed on countries for apartheid have they not? Financial aid sent to countries has been stopped before? There are lots of ways to show disagreement with a regime who are committing war crimes. Why is not the UKs business to do this now but being tied up in the creation of the Israel state post WW2 was our business?

OP have you spent time in the area?

I'm not saying they can't distinguish between them, I'm asking Jewish people if, for them, the two things are too intertwined for them to be separated in any meaningful way. (And for all I know, that's correct. 🤷‍♀️) If this is indeed the case, it might help explain why some PP here are finding this thread to be full of hatred for Jews, as at least two PP have said. So I'm trying to find out if this apparent hate is due to a difference in perspective, with the state and the citizens easily separated for non-Jewish people but not for Jewish people.

If this is the case, it's also worth remembering that Britain has a long history of being irreverent towards our state. We're not usually patriotic, we don't fly the flag everywhere like you see in the US (current climate notwithstanding) and we find the way the Americans lay their hands on their hearts during their nation anthem to be 😂. And we laugh constantly at the royals. So we are more used to poking fun at the establishment than in many countries, and I'd wager we mostly see ourselves as very separate from the British government. But I wonder if, for Jewish people, the Jewish Israeli citizenry and the Israeli government are too closely bound for that. Maybe because it's the people who willed/campaigned the government/country into existence. I'm just asking, because I don't know.

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Sorry you said in your first post you were not Jewish but then refer to your synagogue sorry if I have misunderstood.

if that’s all you took from my post then that’s sad.

Palestine has just as much right to exist as Israel. Northern Cyprus isn’t recognised, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

The State of Palestine is recognised as a sovereign state by 157 of the 193 member states of the United Nations btw.

Your clear distain for Palestinians is very obvious, have a good evening.

She’s quoting me. I’m Jewish. Very much so.