Jews leaving the UK

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I dont blame them. I would if I were Jewish.

They have been failed by their country, which is the UK. I wish them well and hope the UK can sort its anti semitism problems so it becomes safe for Jewish people again.

I think the debate here is the wrong conversation. The question isn't about what the intent of the protesters might be... but what the impact has been. And the impact has been problematic twice over - it certainly hasn't affected what Netanyahu's government has been doing, and it has negatively affected the Jewish community in the UK (and worldwide of course, this isn't exactly unique)

99% of the people on Mumsnet would have no idea what the impact of these protests are. Page after page on all these conversations from Jewish people telling everyone that we are scared, that we are anxious, that we feel less and less safe. That hearing and seeing the things we are hearing and seeing is ruining our daily lives and it's not limited to protesting a specific Israeli government... it's much more than that. And none of us have ever said it's EVERYONE or it's the stated goal of the marches to ruin our lives, but it's what's happening.

And when we keep telling you and telling you and begging you to consider the impact of your actions on regular people here, in this country, living our ordinary lives (like, again, my daughter who has been attacked in school twice so far... and most of our Jewish friends have similar stories from their children). When I tell you that my synagogue never needed security but when I phoned Police Scotland about my daughter's Bat Mitzvah this year they asked if we have hired ARMED security to protect a group of teenagers... and you keep telling us it's either our fault somehow or we are imagining it or it can't be happening because you didn't mean for this to be happening... it makes me feel sick to my stomach.

This really shows your true colours.

The thousands of innocent children killed on a daily basis makes it a genocide.

This is very interesting reading, for understanding current opinions on British Jews: https://www.jpr.org.uk/reports/two-years-after-october-7-attacks-british-jewish-views-antisemitism-israel-and-jewish-life

I am a naturally left-leaning British Jew. However, among my friends there are often have conversations about how unwelcome the UK is and where we will move to if we could. It doesn't mean we are actually leaving - life is here, our children and our families are here, we are British, where would we go? Israel is physically unsafe, and most people don't agree with the policies of Netanyahu. The idea of 'safety' in Israel is more about cultural safety - feeling like we belong somewhere, that we don't have to hide who we are. In the UK, there is a feeling that it is uncomfortable to be openly Jewish.

I will also add, with a DD at university in the UK, campuses are very unwelcoming places if you are Jewish. How is it ok to have protest about Gaza on the anniversary of 7th October, as is being planned on several UK campuses? How can that be seen as anything but a celebration of 7th October? A genuine protest could take place on a day that is not a memorial day for the deaths of 1700 Jews.

You know who esle doesnt feel safe? Palestinians in their own homeland.

Are you ok?

It’s concerning to see just how far and how easily some people (even on Mumsnet) have fallen into antisemitism and conspiracy…

You are talking absolute shite

They are beyond that age and probably wouldn’t join us anyway.

Maybe they should get rid of HAMAS so.
Might help them feel safer.

Do people move to Dubai because they don’t feel safe in the UK?

Last time I checked it wasn't the UK's responsibility for other people in other countries to feel safe.

Standard of discourse on this thread is pretty low.

I can't help feeling that if we swapped 'Jewish' for 'Black' a lot more racism would be a lot more obvious.

Can totally understand why they'd consider moving to Israel.

Also Palestinians never had a "homeland"

Interestingly, most people supporting Palestine do not support Hamas, but I see you are running out of arguments, so have to use what you consider your trump card 😂

So you'll leave them in the UK where it's unsafe? If they were younger you'd be ok with conscription?

So then why did the allies create Israel in 1948? If not their responsibility?

There is very little we in the UK can do about Palestinians living in Gaza. There’s a heck of a lot we can do to help Jewish UK citizens feel safe in their country. That’s the difference. It’s so hard to effect change in Gaza. It’s so easy to make UK Jews feel threatened. The endless marches have to end. Make them once a quarter for instance, or once a year. British Jews have to be allowed to breathe freely.

Yes, your argument indeed shows pretty low standard, glad we agree.

Yet marching is something people CAN do. The only way to make a difference. To beseach our governments to sanction Israel for war crimes. Or are you ok with the Gaza situation? Is it far enough away you don't care?

Ffs Keir Starmer’s wife and children are Jewish!

You know who else doesn’t feel safe?

Women in Afghanistan.

Christians in Nigeria and in Somalia.

I could keep going, but…

What has any of that got to do with British Jews feeling unsafe in the UK?

It’s shameful that we have got to this point. Shameful.

And when we keep telling you and telling you and begging you to consider the impact of your actions on regular people here, in this country, living our ordinary lives (like, again, my daughter who has been attacked in school twice so far... and most of our Jewish friends have similar stories from their children). When I tell you that my synagogue never needed security but when I phoned Police Scotland about my daughter's Bat Mitzvah this year they asked if we have hired ARMED security to protect a group of teenagers... and you keep telling us it's either our fault somehow or we are imagining it or it can't be happening because you didn't mean for this to be happening... it makes me feel sick to my stomach.

Sadly, the marchers aren't listening and don't care what Jewish people are saying. More and more of us hear you, they dont and maybe they never will. Awful but more people are starting to realise that the hatred growing needs sorting out.

Antisemitism is openly expressed now and nothing is done about it. Even when people are arrested, they are not usually charged with hate crimes when they should be. Racism and hate crime is only taken seriously when it’s POC or a trans person.

My DC works for the NHS in a diverse area and was called a ‘kike’ while treating a patient. It’s a word none of us had ever heard before and it was a bit shocking. We’ve removed the mezuzah from our front door as we don't live in a Jewish area.

Those two families mentioned in the article are representative of many others leaving the UK or seriously thinking about it.

It’s insulting to say it was just one attack on a synagogue resulting in loss of life. How many more people need to die before you realise it’s a problem?

The point is that apparently marching to protest Israel war crimes is scaring Jewish people in the UK.

That's the complaint, we should all shut up about the situation in Gaza because it's upsetting Jewish people here that people question Israel is actions? Because that seems to be the complaint.

Noone should be attacking anyone or their religious places of worship in Thai country. OBVIOUSLY. But noone on this thread IS doing that. What everyone here who is questioning Israel and supporting protests is saying is Israel needs to be open to questioning.

That shouldn't make Jewish people feel unsafe. The attacks absolutely but there are attacks onosques, attacks on churches, on orange halls, terrorists are a holes regardless of who they target.

You don't get to say 'im scared someone will attack our community because some of the population are peacefully protesting the way Israel is choosing to conduct itself.'

Interestingly I'm talking about actual Palestinians living in the area who voted them in and overwhelmingly support hamas, not all the virtue signalling idiots at the marches 😂