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Jews leaving the UK

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Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 10:42

I dont blame them. I would if I were Jewish.

They have been failed by their country, which is the UK. I wish them well and hope the UK can sort its anti semitism problems so it becomes safe for Jewish people again.

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Honeycottage · 06/10/2025 15:52

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 14:20

And to be clear I'm not anti semitic, my first serious relationship was with a Jewish man, I very much started off in 2023 after the attacks by Hamas on the side of the Jewish people being attacked and dragged off. Now? Murdering and dehumanizing hundreds of thousands of children so systematically? How can anyone think that is acceptable?

But your comment is antisemitic. The attack was against Israel by terrorists not "the Jewish people'. In the same way, the Jewish people are not responsible for Israeli foreign policy!
Conflating them is antisemitic, albeit that I think you mean well.

cupfinalchaos · 06/10/2025 15:53

Thank you for this thread. The answer for us is either Israel (if and when war finishes) or the US.
It isn’t that I feel hugely unsafe here yet, it’s more that I think it’ll become unsafe for my children.

cathyj77 · 06/10/2025 15:54

@PevenseygirlQQ It's not paranoia, it's the fact that they're chanting slogans calling for Israel's destruction. Hope that helps!

PevenseygirlQQ · 06/10/2025 15:55

think you’ve replied to the wrong person, I think you mean @Onmytod24

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 15:58

Honeycottage · 06/10/2025 15:52

But your comment is antisemitic. The attack was against Israel by terrorists not "the Jewish people'. In the same way, the Jewish people are not responsible for Israeli foreign policy!
Conflating them is antisemitic, albeit that I think you mean well.

It was Jewish people who were attacked and them my sympathy lay with is what I mean.

Barnbrack · 06/10/2025 15:58

cupfinalchaos · 06/10/2025 15:53

Thank you for this thread. The answer for us is either Israel (if and when war finishes) or the US.
It isn’t that I feel hugely unsafe here yet, it’s more that I think it’ll become unsafe for my children.

Do you considerandatory conscription a safe option for them?

plyplaypro · 06/10/2025 16:01

Paganpentacle · 06/10/2025 15:43

I don't need your help.
I'm pointing out... people have NOT become haters of Jewish people.
They are protesting the Israeli governments genocidal actions. The rest of the world isn't happy about it either... given Netanyahu's charges of war crimes.

If you can't see that- I cant help you either...

OMG. How many times do I have to point out the obvious! It is a question of your language. You did not mention Israeli politics in your former post. You mentioned Jews. Do you seriously not get it?

No one is disputing the actions of the israeli government, so don't start diluting that you said. Take some responsibility for your antisemitic language.

Anyway, i'm not dealing with you anymore.

legrandcolbert · 06/10/2025 16:02

Bambamhoohoo · 06/10/2025 14:57

But if you were to join the IRA with the great hunger as your justification that would be about revenge.

Jewish people train to defend their homeland from future threat, one which has always been pretty severe from all angles.

your comparison is like Isreal bombing the shit out of Germany because they’re still traumatised and and vengeful.

Some food for thought - You Think There is a Genocide in Gaza

𝔸η𝐓 (@AntSpeaks) on X

You Think There Is a Genocide in Gaza Because That Is Exactly What You Have Been Told to Think

https://x.com/AntSpeaks/status/1975161508725186891

DottieMoon · 06/10/2025 16:02

Ihatetomatoes · 06/10/2025 13:46

All of this.

People need education. Jewish people have always lived in the middle east (and elsewhere). Judaism is older them Islam. The Ottoman empire was in the middle east with their colonisation... Palestinian people do not have the right to the entire area, all of it wasn't stolen as people pretend! So much misinformation.

Antisemitism is wrong and growing.

So utterly ridiculous. ‘ Palestinian people do not have the right to the entire area’…..but Isreal do? That’s exactly what ISRAEL think are committing a genocide to do so! Please go and educate !

inamarina · 06/10/2025 16:06

Onmytod24 · 06/10/2025 15:46

I’m just looking at the blank page and shaking my head. Why are you so interested in Stirring up hatred? Just why? the fact that you reached back into centuries ago to claim something or other is ridiculous.

Why is challenging misinformation “stirring up hatred”?
”Reaching back into centuries ago” - do you realise that people on the pro-Palestinian side also keep insisting it didn’t start on October 7th?

Onmytod24 · 06/10/2025 16:21

inamarina · 06/10/2025 16:06

Why is challenging misinformation “stirring up hatred”?
”Reaching back into centuries ago” - do you realise that people on the pro-Palestinian side also keep insisting it didn’t start on October 7th?

You don’t have to reach back in history to know that it didn’t start on October 7. Any idiot would know that.

inamarina · 06/10/2025 16:24

Onmytod24 · 06/10/2025 16:21

You don’t have to reach back in history to know that it didn’t start on October 7. Any idiot would know that.

So where would you draw the line then? When did the conflict start according to you?

Chiaseedling · 06/10/2025 16:28

Santasjingleballs · 06/10/2025 14:02

I didn’t say Jews I said zionists….

And your source is!?! Complete Billy bullshit.

Onmytod24 · 06/10/2025 16:29

I don’t need to go back centuries. I would say how Britain and France gave out land after the second world war (with no rights to do so)

Lindos1 · 06/10/2025 16:31

I can't get my head around the fact that many Jewish schools in the UK have security. Insane. I can't think of any other group where having to do this would be tolerated.
Our leaders have turned our country into an absolute cess-pit.
I totally understand why some Jewish people feel the need to leave.
Ashamed & disgusted of the UK.

Chiaseedling · 06/10/2025 16:32

Read this - from The Times - these protestors give no fucks about peace.

Jews leaving the UK
Jews leaving the UK
Chiaseedling · 06/10/2025 16:35

Lindos1 · 06/10/2025 16:31

I can't get my head around the fact that many Jewish schools in the UK have security. Insane. I can't think of any other group where having to do this would be tolerated.
Our leaders have turned our country into an absolute cess-pit.
I totally understand why some Jewish people feel the need to leave.
Ashamed & disgusted of the UK.

Not many, all. And all synagogues, Jewish community centers and organisations. There’s very tight security, has been for a long time. My DCs went to a Jewish school which was like Fort Knox. In comparison there’s a local non-denominational secondary near me - you can walk straight up to the entrance.

Edited to saw thanks for your support.

ParmaVioletTea · 06/10/2025 16:45

Lindos1 · 06/10/2025 16:31

I can't get my head around the fact that many Jewish schools in the UK have security. Insane. I can't think of any other group where having to do this would be tolerated.
Our leaders have turned our country into an absolute cess-pit.
I totally understand why some Jewish people feel the need to leave.
Ashamed & disgusted of the UK.

It's been quite normal here for some years. It's been normal in Russia for several decades.

Israel itself is under constant attack from its neighbours who mostly basically want Israel and Jews wiped off the face of the earth. Israelis are mostly kept safe by the "iron dome" - otherwise we'd be hearing almost daily about the rocket attacks.

I'm not sure people in the UK quite understand this.

Followthattaxi · 06/10/2025 16:47

Lindos1 · 06/10/2025 16:31

I can't get my head around the fact that many Jewish schools in the UK have security. Insane. I can't think of any other group where having to do this would be tolerated.
Our leaders have turned our country into an absolute cess-pit.
I totally understand why some Jewish people feel the need to leave.
Ashamed & disgusted of the UK.

My non-Jewish friends couldn't believe we had security for the synagogue part of our wedding. I hadn't even thought twice about it, it's just always there.

ParmaVioletTea · 06/10/2025 16:50

Chiaseedling · 06/10/2025 16:32

Read this - from The Times - these protestors give no fucks about peace.

Hamas gives no fucks about peace. They won't accept the current peace treaty offering - as an internationally recognised and condemned terrorist organisation, with no legitimacy., Hamas is refusing to disarm, and refusing any settlement in which they cannot dominate.

I judge them by their actions in this. It is telling that they refuse to disarm.

They want to keep killing Jews. It's the central principle of their organisation.

cholent99 · 06/10/2025 16:52

BoredZelda · 06/10/2025 11:06

What more? It is illegal, it is prosecuted, it is socially unacceptable. What else do you want?

This is absolutely not true.

This was not prosecuted.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/20/all-charges-over-convoy-who-shouted-rape-jewish-daughters-are-dropped-17793247/

Imagine if a load of white, far-right supporters had driven around Whitechapel with a loudspeaker shouting something similar against Muslims. Do you think they would be prosecuted? I'm pretty sure they would rightly have been given long jail terms almost immediately.

Or this case, "no charges"; https://freespeechunion.org/no-charges-for-east-london-imams-destroy-jewish-homes-sermon/?v=0b3b97fa6688

If there were far-right marches every weekend, they would have been banned long ago, but Jews absolutely don't matter even though they have been in this country for hundreds of years. Two tier justice.

All charges over convoy who shouted 'rape Jewish daughters' are dropped

Footage of the incident on Finchley Road in north London in March last year went viral, with even then prime minister Boris Johnson condemning the scenes.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/11/20/all-charges-over-convoy-who-shouted-rape-jewish-daughters-are-dropped-17793247/

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 06/10/2025 16:53

Followthattaxi · 06/10/2025 16:47

My non-Jewish friends couldn't believe we had security for the synagogue part of our wedding. I hadn't even thought twice about it, it's just always there.

I’m not Jewish and was invited to a Bat Mitzvah in Manchester last year, it seemed surreal that something so innocent and happy should need security, particularly as the vibe of that particular shul reminded me more of a Quaker meeting house than anything else, very homespun and peace loving.

ParmaVioletTea · 06/10/2025 16:56

legrandcolbert · 06/10/2025 11:50

The Jewish population of the UK is less than half of one percent, so around 300,000. That's a minuscule amount, but many of us have been here for centuries, ever since Thomas Cromwell allowed us back into the country (having been expelled in the later 1200s (I think). As for others, some, like my family came to the UK in the late 1800s as a result of pogroms in Eastern Europe.

I might be ethnically Jewish, but I am also British, born in London, hold a UK passport. English is my mother tongue. Unusually for a Jew, I do not speak or read Hebrew although I can speak a little Yiddish. Tell me; where should I go?

More importantly, why should I leave? Why can't more be done to ensure antisemitism is properly stamped out. Zero tolerance, nothing less. Why is hatred of Jews - that's what antisemitism means - so endemic in the UK? One only has to read threads on here. It's insidious, it's so ingrained in the very fabric of the UK that many do not even realise they are antisemitic/supporting antisemitic tropes. There is also little knowledge about the history of the middle east, or even the fact that Judaism predates Islam by many millennia. This is frustrating, more so when I have people tell me that they have no problem with the modern state of Israel, but.... The but is always followed by something either antisemitic or woefully ignorant about Jewish history. Getting back to the UK, from the moment Jews came here, there has been antisemitism. It was at fever pitch in the 1930s and 40s thanks in part to the press such as the Daily Mail whipping up an antisemitic frenzy. It was only during the war when they realised what was happening to Jews in Europe that the Daily Mail changed tracks. But, over time, the antisemitism has crept back in, how could it not? It is never far from the surface. Today, the media are still culpable, ditto the present government.

To return to WWII, when fleeing Eastern Europe, many Jews choose not to settle in the UK because they did not feel safe here, it was too close to Europe. I have long wished my family had gone to the US too.

In real life, I do not engage with discussions about being Jewish or what is happening in Israel and Gaza because it's too distressing. I do not leave the house when there are marches happening as I feel uncomfortable, not that anyone would even know I am Jewish. But, I live in Central London, and seeing throngs of people supporting those who would happily see death to all Jews is too much for me. I make no bones that Hamas = radical Islam who are unashamed in their desire to kill all Jews (much like they are killing Nigerian Christians at present). While some attend pro-Palestinian marches with good liberal intentions, they're useful idiots blithely ignoring that one day, they will be Hamas' next target. They are, and to repeat, happily joining forces with those whom do not have good intentions, those who do truly hated Jews.

You put it so well and so powerfully @legrandcolbert I'm not Jewish, but I see what I see. And that is casual anti-semitism, quite regularly, and Jew hatred in the pro-Palestininan marches.

And in the face of this, I can see why Israel needs to exist.Not only have Jews been in the Middle East forever (long before the Muslims), they need a place of sanctuary. When all else fails, Jews can find sanctuary in Israel, their ancient territory.

Bambamhoohoo · 06/10/2025 16:58

Followthattaxi · 06/10/2025 16:47

My non-Jewish friends couldn't believe we had security for the synagogue part of our wedding. I hadn't even thought twice about it, it's just always there.

Although I’m familiar with synagogue security (I’m in outer north London) it does sort of blow my mind that they exist for the reasoning they do.

They are private security like, say, bouncers. Terrorist attack prevention is a very different ballgame. These men, if they’re being paid at all, are being paid next to nothing and their purpose is to keep mass murders out of synagogue.
I believe the security guards in Manchester were some of the injured and it blows my mind that that was their purpose. To take on murderers. They’re just normal men.