Neighbour has put up huge Unite the Kingdom flag

[UrticaDioca]

I am gutted. I haven't seen a single flag in my town, and suddenly this union jack goes up two doors over with the words 'Unite the Kingdom' printed on it in capital letters. The flag is huge and flying from a pole on top of their shed, but it's in their own garden so nothing can be done.

I am the daughter of an immigrant mother and therefore mixed race. Now I have to see this fucking flag waving at me every time I look out of my kitchen or living room windows.

What's the "proper way"? The UK has no safe and legal routes for asylum seekers to come to the UK, with the exception of three programs specifically for Afghanis, Hong Kong Chinese and Ukrainians.
The minority of the people crossing the channel are illegal immigrants, but the majority are genuine asylum seekers, given that around 70% of people entering this way are granted asylum.

Because frankly, beggars can't be choosers.

I don't. But I think crossing one of the busiest stretches of water in the world a stupid way to try to enter a country. And not all are asylum seekers, they are mostly economic migrants who have no right enter a country just because they have friends there. There is also the question of fairness. Those who are economic migrants are jumping the queue, most unjust. Other people come the legal way and are most welcome.

But most of the people - young men, mainly - entering illegally in small boats are not asylum seekers, they are economic migrants.

Since I have not seen the video and rarely agree with anything TR says, probably not.
But I think Israel is correct to secure her borders against terrorists whose avowed aim is the destruction of Israel.

How do you know the majority are asylum seekers?

Are you serious? I've just given you the statistic - 70% of people arriving in boats across the channel are granted asylum.

Crossing one of the busiest stretches of water in the world is a stupid way to enter the UK, but unfortunately asylum seekers have no choice because we have no legal and safe routes for them to use unless they're coming via one of the three programs I've already mentioned.
The 1.2 million immigrants who came to the UK legally in 2024 had visas to enter e.g. study, work, family, etc.
And I didn't say they're all asylum seekers - I said the majority are by virtue of the fact that 70% are granted asylum. (We're actually in agreement that the 30% who are economic migrants should be deported back to their home country.) Calling all the migrants who come across the channel "illegal" is ignorant - asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants unless and until their asylum claim fails.

Couple of questions for clarification ….

1. what country did your mum / dad think they were immigrating to?
2. what is the relevance of your race? Or mix of race?
3. are things better in your mum / dads original country?

From the point of view of people who find their local hotel has turned into an asylum dormitory I think the difference between asylum seekers and economic migrants is semantic. And undoubtedly some migrants have found settling in a non-Islamic country hard. I mentioned Isaiah earlier, and his advice was good. If in a place you don't like much and would prefer not to be nevertheless get on with life and pray for the prosperity of the place you are in - i.e. join in with the host society. Much as I dislike Farage I am glad that the migrant who came over on a boat and threatened to kill him has been convicted - sadly his actions are not going to lessen the anxieties of those who are faced with large numbers of asylum seekers/economic migrants in their towns.

@Grammarnut "From the point of view of people who find their local hotel has turned into an asylum dormitory I think the difference between asylum seekers and economic migrants is semantic."
"Semantic"? Jesus, so, not only did you decide to double-down on your ignorance about international and UK immigration law, but also to reveal your absolute lack of compassion for people whose lives have been destroyed in their homeland leaving them terrorised, terrified and in danger. OK then. 🙄

There's one such hotel in Birmingham right next to one of the jobsites I go to. The residents and local shopkeepers (Indian) have been petitioning to have it moved. The main contractor has stopped sending female engineers to site as they were getting harassed and I don't think they could find a solution.

I've only seen young men there. They seem to sit on the steps all day smoking. I'm not sure if this is what other sites are like as it's the only one I've been around repeatedly.

@galadriel there’s one in my local town no reported issues at all and a good friend of mine works for a local charity and quite a few of them volunteer to give back to the local community. She’s also been into the hotel to visit them she said they were all polite but she was shocked at how little they all had, the rooms have been stripped of everything but a bed or two in cases, they’re given microwave meals but they’re not given a microwave, there’s one TV for the whole place which was highlighted as an issue because they were using that to improve their English. So not all sites are the same. The process needs to be sped up those entitled to asylum granted it so they can get on with their lives and those that aren’t deported but as someone else mentioned and what people don’t want to hear is that the majority of them are entitled to stay.

I'm just astonished that some people still believe that Tommy Robinson, who had a picture taken next to a number 88 bus (88 being a dog whistle for true fascists due to the number 88 being code for Heil Hitler), is a friend to Jews.

People on MN argue that TR having his photo taken on that particular route, one of 675 in London, whilst a bus was passing, was just a "coincidence".

Oh come on!

Hadn’t heard it before this thread, and haven’t heard it since!

Awareness of this phrase not as commonplace as you might think.

True but a quick Google before you posted would have answered your question 🤷‍♀️

If someone’s going to write a thread about something being deeply offensive to them, actually articulating why rather than being vague is far more helpful for readers.

That was my first thought as well.

No I did not double down. I am aware of international law. The point I am making is that the law etc make not a blind bit of difference to people finding themselves with large numbers of illegal/semi-legal migrants in their midst who do not understand the culture they have been introduced to.
It's not semantic even when it is.

Well if you “don’t believe everything you read about Tommy Robinson “, you could still believe the courts. The man is an utterly hideous thug and criminal.

Me too. It’s utterly depressing.

So "standard white bloke" to you is fat and bald is it?

whatever your personal feelings and levels of compassion are the law is still the law. Having your home destroyed in a war does NOT entitle you to asylum. War is unfortunately very common in our world. Always has been. Legally you need to have a well founded demonstrable fear of persecution in necessitating you to flee your country. Same for "terrorised, terrified and in danger". This could equate to white girls in Bradford, off duty Police Officers in Belfast or Jews in Manchester. If you were to look at Syria (main origin for the hotel guests) for example there are safe regions there that are autonomous from the regime.