Neighbour has put up huge Unite the Kingdom flag

[UrticaDioca]

I am gutted. I haven't seen a single flag in my town, and suddenly this union jack goes up two doors over with the words 'Unite the Kingdom' printed on it in capital letters. The flag is huge and flying from a pole on top of their shed, but it's in their own garden so nothing can be done.

I am the daughter of an immigrant mother and therefore mixed race. Now I have to see this fucking flag waving at me every time I look out of my kitchen or living room windows.

I'm not spreading lies though? I haven't written a single word about any of Tommy Robinson's convictions, false or otherwise! He's just an awful, awful excuse for a human yet you seem to be firmly supporting him and getting very irate if anyone speaks against him 🤷‍♀️👀 I think that says more about you than it does about me. Let me guess - you're not a racist though? 🙄

@EatingsCheatingwe're waiting...

Ok, perhaps I'll take out the bit you didn't understand and see if you can answer the rest: what on earth do you mean by 'likely story'? Just such a weird thing to say, I thought.

Keep up, DangerousAlchemy. My initial post wasn’t even directed at you. It was aimed at the person spreading blatant lies that Tommy Robinson is a convicted paedophile and was involved in a racially motivated attack that killed one man and left another fighting for his life. That claim is an abject lie, plain and simple, and it doesn’t matter who it’s about. You can dislike someone all you like, but inventing crimes crosses a line.

Defamation is illegal for a reason, and the rule of law applies to everyone in the UK, whether you like it or not. Talking rubbish about people isn’t a harmless pastime because it ruins lives and fuels hate. There are plenty of unhinged people out there who don’t need much of an excuse to turn violent, and spreading lies like that just gives them one.

And honestly, there’s no point even arguing with someone like you. You’ve shown no comprehension and no critical thought, yet you’re quick to throw out the same lazy “racist” line without knowing a single thing about me. It’s tedious, predictable and says far more about you than it ever will about me.

I never once said I agree with anything Tommy Robinson stands for, but I have a serious problem with the truth being twisted to fit an agenda. Facts don’t stop mattering just because you dislike the person they involve.

I’m done responding to you. You clearly prefer virtue signalling over truth, and I’m not wasting any more time arguing with someone who mistakes moral posturing for critical thought. Take care, and maybe try reading next time.

Because for people like you it is a race issue whether you admit it or not…. We don’t hear the same outcry’s about other immigrants. If that is the case Kirsty is merely a victim of scaremongering as the statistic demonstrates who she should be worried about. Where i live there is a charity which provides a cooked breakfast for anyone who needs it either because of cost or company, been running for years, it is run entirely by volunteers, the vast majority of which are now immigrants wanting to give back. These are not the people she needs to be worried out. Doesn’t make sure a good story for the TR supporters or GB news though does it?

I’m ignoring immigration because it’s not the issue, it’s a distraction being pushed. Smoke and mirrors.

Oh no no, we aren't playing the game, where you gloss over your silly comment and focus on mine. I'm not being drawn into an argument that is off topic. Try harder.

'Because for people like you it is a race issue whether you admit it or not…' Who do you people actually think you are? The arrogance is disgusting. The same arrogance that calls BAME people who support right wing parties condescending names. YOU are the one that is fixated on race, not me.

I'm really not interested in your anecdotal evidence.
'These are not the people she needs to be worried out.' Well I don't suppose immigrants who are volunteering for charities are the people she'd need to worry about. 😂But that isn't what we were talking about. I specifically said unvetted, illegal males are the concern. Including... shock horror white men from the likes of Romania and Albania.

'I’m ignoring immigration because it’s not the issue.' No you are ignoring it because you are out of your depth.

Oh please…. It honestly is pointless discussing anything with people like you the reality is you have very little to say and what you do have is steeped in hypocrisy and scaremongering. People like you see immigrants as numbers rather than people and are easily led into the idea that this tiny percentage of disadvantaged people with very little power are the root cause of all yours and societies issues.

It's pointless discussing anything with people like you, who form their opinion based on feelings and decide what other people's motives are for them!

If you look over my comments on this thread you will see I've had a lot to say and backed it up with evidence, unlike yourself.

'People like you see immigrants as numbers rather than people.' No. I see unvetted illegal immigrants as a national security risk and an enormous drain on taxpayers money. Neither of these things are false.

'people with very little power are the root cause of all yours and societies issues.' I certainly never said they are the root cause of the problems in the UK but they are a contributory factor.

Any other baseless assumptions you'd like to make?

Sorry - I abandoned my thread because there were too many messages to read, as well as some really outright racist/xenophobic ones that I didn't have the time or energy to respond to.

Anyway the big news is - the flag has been taken down (presumably by the owners)!! Goodness knows why. But it's gone!

DP reckons the wife came home and told them to take the bloody thing down.

I am surprised that 50% of people think it's unreasonable to be dismayed by a Tommy Robinson sloganed flag.

OMG feelings you really are ridiculous, I have seen little evidence which would stand up to any form of scrutiny.

Fortunately, not as ridiculous as you.

Me too. Unity is generally about everybody uniting.

That's what is so annoying about it. You look and think ahh that's positive I'll pass that sentiment on, then you realise it's Tommy, but the damage is already done.

I am reminded of Isaiah's advice to the Israelites deported to Babylon: that they should put down roots, literally by growing stuff, marry and have children, and grandchildren, and pray for the prosperity of Babylon because they would themselves then prosper.
Basically, fitting in and supporting the society you are in is a good idea and that bewailing that the new home is not like the old one is a waste of energy.
I also object to illegal immigrants, who are indeed a security risk. I also object to the traffickers making money out of people's need.

Thanks for the update OP

It IS unreasonable to be dismayed by our own country's flag.

My advice to you would be not to believe everything you read about TR.

@Grammarnut its not illegal to be an immigrant or to go to a country to apply for asylum.

Not only illegal immigrants. There are areas in South Yorkshire (and elsewhere) where large numbers of Eastern European Roma have settled. They arrived legally. They often have large families, and end up living in overcrowded homes, lots of two up two down terrace houses. These areas, already multi cultural, have seen the houses plummet in value, huge tensions in the community due to very different lifestyles, lots of rubbish, flytipping etc. Their custom of socialising outdoors is noisy, and for some residents, feels intimidating.

Are the existing residents, including people of Pakistani, Yemeni, African, West Indian and white British ethnicities, racist? As has been pointed out earlier in this thread, the issues are often about the lack of integration, and the accelerating rate of change. The people making the rules, such as the government and the judiciary don’t live in these areas. They don’t fear walking out of their front door, their streets aren’t piled high with detritus. People are feeling unheard, worried for their children in the schools, for their futures.

She isnt dismayed by the flag

she is dismayed by the TR one

and she may be completely wrong about TR but its wrong to misinterpret her position

As we used to chant in the playground, when our discourse was more at this level: "I know you are, you said you are, but what am Iiiiii?" 😂😂😂

Yeah me too! but often they are misinformed or somewhat ignorant tbh. 🙄 nothing really surprises me anymore. Spent time with old uni friends at the weekend and one woman is 'worried for her daughter's safetly with all the immigrants coming over' - I couldn't really believe what I was hearing tbh from a well educated friend. She should be FAR MORE worried about the awful white supremacist thugs already in the UK. I know I am! I'd happily swap the Tommy Robinsons in this country for a nice boat of immigrants.

The second biggest, and fastest growing, group in the UK as far as religion goes is those of no religion, according to the last census. If that trend continues, religion will soon be an irrelevance and having an "official" religion will be a nonsense.

As for "White British" becoming a minority, how far back do you want to go? DNA analysis of the remains found in a cave in Cheddar Gorge showed that 10,000 years ago, Britons had dark brown skin and black hair, so presumably the light skin in itself is either a genetic adaptation or the result of mixing with other groups. The human race originated in Africa, so anyone north of the Med is descended from migrants.

The whole notion of some sort of racial purity is not only nonsense in a country that has been mixed to varying degrees since before the Romans got here, but it also has a very unpleasant 20th century history.

I agree with you. But if you mention the effect of legal migration too, people lose their shit entirely. It's already a pile on at the best of times if you don't subscribe to the popular view on here.