Neighbour has put up huge Unite the Kingdom flag

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I am gutted. I haven't seen a single flag in my town, and suddenly this union jack goes up two doors over with the words 'Unite the Kingdom' printed on it in capital letters. The flag is huge and flying from a pole on top of their shed, but it's in their own garden so nothing can be done.

I am the daughter of an immigrant mother and therefore mixed race. Now I have to see this fucking flag waving at me every time I look out of my kitchen or living room windows.

Evidently.

'Attending a demonstration about immigration organised by Tommy Robinson is a bit like attending a demonstration about men's rights organised by the Taliban.' So we've finally got there, you do think the attendees are all racist.

And you would think that because you can't accept people may agree with some of his ideas but not all of them. This has been my point all along. How exhausting.

ToWhitToWhoo · Yesterday 19:01
It's not impossible to be both Asian and hard-right. Ben Habib, for example.
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These guys always have their token non white person who is supposed to prove they are not racists. I don’t know where they get them from. He has got Katie cannot remember her last name too on his team hasn’t he?

Third response to my comment - coconut bingo!

Do you have a link to that please?

Nothing on the first few pages of google search as far as I can see

I absolutely think unfairness should be dealt with, but it should be addressed through the appropriate channels. Whether or not this child was actually treated unfairly cannot be determined from the information that is in the public domain imo, but if the family had genuinely felt that she had been unfairly treated, then there are appropriate ways of raising such concerns and ensuring that decisions are scrutinised appropriately.

I don't personally think that putting a young child on a platform next to a notorious racist, or splashing a one-sided story about her all over the tabloids is an effective way of dealing with unfairness at all. The child has been shamelessly exploited by people with their own political agenda.

I'm not arguing for anything to be hidden. I am merely arguing against the exploitation of children for political purposes.

Plus TR didn't found the EDL until 2009 so it would be tricky to be discussing it on Panorama in 2004

They didn’t achieve transparency because the school wasn’t able to put its point of view. So we don’t know whether there was more to it than we know. Also, I find the idea of putting a child on a platform like that utterly repugnant. And, for the avoidance of doubt, I would say the same about a child that young being put in front of the world’s press regardless of the cause.

What’s the problem? I’m currently in the US and I’ve noticed how patriotic they are. There’s nothing wrong with being proud of your country. If you’re not, who’s going to be?

What on earth do you mean, "finally got there". I have been quite clear from the very outset that I think everyone who attended that march was racist, apart from a few who may have been genuinely too stupid to understand that they were on a racist march. Sure, some might not be vocally racist, but the tacit condoning of racism is still racism imo.

If that's the point you are trying to make all along, then it seems that we have been talking at crossed purposes. It had been my impression that you had been trying to argue that some of the marchers might not have been racist even though they had chosen to march alongside a racist.

FWIW, I do accept that some people might agree with some of TR's views but not all of them. What I don't accept is that someone who isn't racist would choose to go on a demonstration organised by a notorious racist in order to promote his racist rhetoric.

Yes, of course the rally was racist when it was organised by a racist - his intentions are always racist and/or violent. Are you seriously saying you don't know that Tommy Ten Names is a racist? Have you been living under a rock? Read this for starters: www.standuptoracism.org.uk/wp-content2015/uploads/2024/09/SUtR-Robinson-factsheet-Sept-2024-A4-2pp-3mm-bld_240925_155457.pdf

And why would "thousands of ordinary, 'non-racist' British people" attend a rally organised by this racist thug? Why would they want to risk being associated with him in any way when they could have organised their own rally with no links to him whatsoever? Easy answer: because they share his racist views, but just don't want to admit it.

What the hell has that to do with anything?

It's not something we do. I believe some Scots put up the Saltire but I can't remember ever seeing one outwith public buildings.

Obviously I know that lots of people say that Tommy Robinson is a racist.
Unfortunately, they seem to be mostly the same people who say that some men are women.
They also seem to be the same people who say that anyone concerned about the massive rise in immigration is an ignorant racist bigot.
So I'd prefer to find out what he's actually said, then make my own decision about him.

I don't believe that TWAW and I don't believe that anyone with concerns about immigration is necessarily racist. However, I do absolutely believe that TR is a racist.

I absolutely support your quest to go and find out for yourself. Do report back when you've done your research.

You wouldn't have written something as offensive as this about any other social group in the country.
Only white working class men.
This tells us far more about you than about the people who attended the march.

Don't accuse me of liking TR, I did not say that I did. I said I understood the people who went on the march who are fed up with their culture being both trashed and called no worthwhile culture. They haven't got much recourse outside the likes of TR - sometimes we have strange bedfellows e.g. I don't agree with some GC feminists on lots of matters outside the awful misogyny and homophobia of the trans agenda, but I support them on the thing we do agree on.

Who is trashing their culture and telling them that it isn't worthwhile? This is a genuine question btw, because I'm white British and I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

Are you able to give some genuine evidenced examples of this?

I entirely agree re immigrants and racism. Anyone can be racist and I have been on the end of some nasty racism from people who would say 'we can't be racist'!
I agree with you somewhat because there is nowhere to protest to and with about trashing our history and culture - TR and co are the last resort. It's sad that we have such a divided country. But it was always so - George Orwell said that Britain was the only place where the educated intelligentsia despised their own country and whether he was right geographically or not he was certainly right about what we now call the chattering classes, they prefer any culture and history but their own.
And why are not the pro-Palestinians marching to stop the horrors (mass rape for example) of the Sudan civil war, against the starvation of women and children in the Yemeni war, against the horrors continuously carried out in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (a real failed state) where rape and murder are used to control the population to the benefit of an elite and foreign companies?

Those poor men

Where is people’s culture being trashed and called no worthwhile?

I'm about to sell my late parent's property. It's on a small close where the bottom half is festooned with England flags. The house I'm trying to sell is in the top half of the close (and both next door neighbours are South Asian, so I can't imagine how they feel). I'm wondering if the flags are going to put buyers off. Or maybe those not put off will be racists, which would be awful for the immediate neighbours.

I'm really sad that you're having to look at this thing all the time, OP.

(Incidentally a neighbour behind my house has been flying the British flag for a couple of years, which I thought was slightly odd. But a few weeks ago he took it down. I'm hoping because he's just patriotic, and doesn't want to be aligned with Tommy Robinson etc)

Unfortunately, I think it may well impact on your ability to sell the house. A lot of people won't want to move to that kind of neighbourhood.

There is a guy with a flagpole near us, who has been flying the England flag for various sporting events for the last 15 years or so. I noticed that he has stopped flying it recently, and assume that it's because he doesn't want people to think he is supporting Tommy Robinson. It's a shame that the far right have claimed it and turned it into a no-go thing for everyone else.

I wish I did, but it is impossible to find now... Here is guessing as to why.
I also have to correct myself, it was the BNP not the EDL at that point.

Another one here who has no idea what you mean by our culture being trashed. Can you explain?

I live in a mostly white area, and worked for decades in a nearby town which is one of the most multicultural in the UK. I see no difference at all in the British cultural stuff going on in both places. The other cultures added to cultural life, they didn't detract from it, criticise it, or diminish it. The cultures existed side by side.

So yes, I'm not sure what I've missed and would appreciate some examples of our culture being trashed.

No it was the BNP. I have corrected myself since.

You hate the country you live in?