Neighbour has put up huge Unite the Kingdom flag

[UrticaDioca]

I am gutted. I haven't seen a single flag in my town, and suddenly this union jack goes up two doors over with the words 'Unite the Kingdom' printed on it in capital letters. The flag is huge and flying from a pole on top of their shed, but it's in their own garden so nothing can be done.

I am the daughter of an immigrant mother and therefore mixed race. Now I have to see this fucking flag waving at me every time I look out of my kitchen or living room windows.

The man who first exposed the gangs in 2011. Clue: not SYL/TR

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4ge33q71q7o.amp

I think the school mishandled the situation, and they shouldn't have stopped her from wearing the dress or speaking about "British culture".

Of course, we don't know exactly why the school intervened in the way that they did with this child, and in light of subsequent events, I wouldn't mind betting that there is a lot more context to this story that the school inevitably cannot share. Notwithstanding that, the school's response was misguided.

Actually can you provide me with any links that support that statement please? Id' be interested to read them.

I've asked numerous posters on numerous threads. None were flying the flag, but one did say I'd inspired them to do so.😊

Thankyou.
I actually agree with one of your responses 😊

I believe it was a simple straightforward case of school being afraid to step on certain toes, which is partly what the rally was about.

If the neighbour has been harbouring racist views and support for TR, it is surprising he hasn’t erected the flag way before now

Personally, I find it extremely unlikely that this was purely about the school "being afraid to step on certain toes".

I strongly suspect that there was a back story relating to this student and/or her family which led the school to feel that her choices were inappropriate. This is supported, imo, by the family's decision to plaster it all over the tabloid media and put the child on a platform next to Tommy Robinson.

The school should have foreseen the potential for their decision to be put into the public domain, and they should have realised that they would not be in a position to release any personal information about the student or her family to justify their actions. If they had thought this through properly before reacting, they could have handled it differently.

I'm embarrassed for you! It is you who has tried to make an equivalence of my example not I.

'If Tommy Robinson eats meat, that doesn't mean that all meat eaters are racist. Similarly, Hitler being vegetarian doesn't mean all vegetarians are Nazis.'
Nobody suggested this.

Do I really have to repeat myself again? You can agree with certain things a person does whilst disagreeing with other things they do. I've said it as simplistically as I possibly can. If you are still struggling with this concept I can't really spell it out any clearer.

'A much better comparison would have been to think about how we might have judged someone who had chosen to go on a march organised by Hitler in celebration of German culture, knowing what Hitler stood for.' Whilst I appreciate what you are trying to convey here you are entering the world of hypotheticals and creating a false equivalence of your own.

The question is: How are people who attend Tommy Robinson marches being judged? They are being judged as automatic racists, as is demonstrated by comments on here, all manner of social media platforms and the mainstream media. My point was and has been all along, people can make these assumptions but they do not know the reasons why each person is attending so cannot with absolute conviction know the accusations they are making are true.

I made the point about Hitler and vegetarianism to demonstrate how there may be people on these marches who do not agree with all of what TR has to say but do agree with his stance on illegal immigration. It's really that simple.

I embarrassed to say i hadn’t been aware of the march, so blissfully ignorant headed in to London to the theatre.

As we approached Waterloo, I had a look around the carriage and thought - cripes, what’s going on…. Lots of fat men drinking tinnies.

And then we arrived and when I exited the station OMFG…. Either fat or malnourished men swigging beer and many smoking… staggering along in their tens of thousands.

The smell!! The Rubbish.

i took a sneaky photo of one of the worst of them… and sent to friends and family with the following

“if he represents my country, then god help us all”

OK, you're just not getting it. Not sure if that's because you just don't want to get it or because you don't have the thinking skills.

Tommy Robinson's views on illegal immigration are inextricably linked to his racism. Hitler's antisemitism and far right views had fuck all to do with his vegetarianism. If you cannot see the difference, then I give up.

And Mumsnet reaches a whole new low!

BBC Panorama did a documentary on the EDL and TR in 2004 where he spoke about grooming gangs.

A few randoms on MN have apparently told you they don't fly flags but support people who do, that therefore makes them racist? You haven't actually provided any evidence.

Well that settles it then... anyone who flies a Union Flag is a raging racist after all. 😂

🤣
This sounds as silly as someone saying there were 150,000 racists!!

Agree with all of this.

He's quite happy palling around with white men who have been accused of sexual offences, such as Russell Brand.

Unfortunately, your way of thinking allows corruption and mistreatment to thrive.

These things need bringing out into the open, not hiding.

We need transparency.
That family achieved that and I applaud them.

But we can't have transparency because the school is quite rightly unable to tell us what they may or may not know about the child or the family. And I suspect that the child's parents were well aware of this when they decided to take the story to the media.

Please tell me how my way of thinking allows corruption and mistreatment to thrive, exactly? That's quite an allegation, so go on, spell out your logic.

'Hitler's antisemitism and far right views had fuck all to do with his vegetarianism' Erm yeah who said it did! My example was to point out a vegetarian would share the same belief system as Hitler himself when it comes to eating meat whilst still knowing him to have been an evil fucker!

'Tommy Robinson's views on illegal immigration are inextricably linked to his racism.' It's irrelevant whether TR is racist or not. This does not mean a person attending his march due to anti illegal immigration sentiments, agrees with racism. And we are back to the original point, some people (though fewer and fewer it would seem) possess the ability to separate the views of a person they don't agree with whilst identifying ideas that do align.

Please do give up because you just aren't getting it at all.

Accused is not guilty. Look at the list of politicians who have been found guilty of sex crimes and corruption. That should be a concern for all of us.

You're right, I can't follow your illogical train of thought. You think you have a point but you don't. So I should probably give up.

Attending a demonstration about immigration organised by Tommy Robinson is a bit like attending a demonstration about men's rights organised by the Taliban. It is not a neutral act.

Yes I know the rally, (attended by hundred(s) of thousands of ordinary, non-racist British people) was called this.
So you think the rally was racist because it was organised by a racist?
But why do you think Stephen Yaxley-Lennon is racist?

I am genuinely interested in what he has said that makes you think he is racist. I don't know whether he is or not, but I can only decide by finding out what he's said. I have listened to him a bit, not much as I find him tedious to listen to, but I didn't think anything I've heard him say was racist.

I meant that you seem to think the parents shouldn't have taken the incident to the media or allowed the girl to appear on stage.

I believe that keeping these things hidden, allows them to continue and thrive.

The girl WAS unfairly treated and indeed, you agreed that it shouldn't have happened.

In my opinion, when people think unfairness shouldn't be publicised, it encourages further unfairness, mistreatment and can lead to corruption.

People need to speak out. We all need to be whistle blowers.

@AnnaFrith do you have children?