Why isn’t this front page news?

[Deerfolk]

If it was a church or a temple it would be seen as a terrorist attack. But because it’s a mosque it gets down graded to a hate crime.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15163567/Footage-arsonist-Mmosque-fire-police-probe-hate-crime.html

PraisebetoGod · Today 13:01

Perhaps a Muslim did it to garner more sympathy or paint themselves as victims. Perhaps it was done to garner more hate and division in the country? Who knows ey?

A comment lifted from the Mail article, they are pretty shocking. Questions about how light fires properly, cheering, saying they deserve it etc.

What if someone burned a Synagogue? Would you accused the congregation of doing it for sympathy?

I don't arson at a church would make the national news.

He's not part of an organisation.

And finding fault with what Israel is doing doesn't mean a person supports Hamas.

Did he send them money?

The person who did the arson could be a supporter of the far right/ reform. Does that mean they are part of a political organisation if they sent a tweet?

I saw that his father is alleged to have praised Hamas after October 7. I have seen nothing else that suggests any links to terror organisations or that they were known supporters of Hamas / the “anti-Israel cause”.

Nah jews wouldn't bother cause a large proportion of the population clearly don't care about them.

That’s exactly what I would expect from Daily Mail readers and comments to be fair.

He publicly declared support of an islamic terrorist group.

Yes, there's a fuzzy line between the two but the definitions are different. In short, 'hate crimes' intend to make the victim afraid. 'Terrorism' intends to make an entire class of people afraid. It's more systematic.

I guess a chain of similar 'hate crimes' can emerge as 'terrorism'. You'd have to be able to see that they were linked somehow.

As a related aside, this is why some anti-immigrant tweets attract stronger sentences than others: they're judged to be encouraging organised violence.

PraisebetoGod · Today 17:27

But Muslims WOULD burn their own mosque down, in your prejudiced world. I see.

Maybe this will help

Done an advanced search and still this is the only thread discussing churches and arson attacks. So I'll continue to wait for the many many threads you claimed to have found. Go ahead, over to you!

sorry if this is a bit long or offends any group by not mentioning their worries.
Not Being classed as “terrorism” does not mean an event is not taken seriously by the police. If evidence emerges then as PP have said it may be reclassified.

I am sad the way this thread was phrased and how it has proceeded. I have just looked and it was on the news.

This thread is absolutely free speech and should be allowed.
It seems to have brought out the contending of people arguing about whether one group is treated better or worse- searching for statistics for percentage of religious buildings. Arguing about TV coverage.
There are people of all religions and none worried about being caught up in copy cat and reprisal attacks. Jews and Muslims have been on heightened alert as antisemitism and Islamophobia have risen. Anyone may be targeted if perceived as a threat including children dancing to Taylor Swift.

I am not arguing that every group should not have their fears separately addressed just to recognise that many groups feel afraid. And not to divide by pitting one group against another.

Im coming at this as a Catholic in England and not worried particularly in relation to my faith. I am in an ethnic minority though and things like the far right rally in London worry me when I see the hatred. However it was heartening to see people of all types, ethnicities, religions and I’m sure atheists and humanists marching against.

Let me go and Google for that.

I would expect there to be more as I don’t support for a proscribed group us enough to make an individual a terrorist.

You're deliberately twisting my words.

So do you think he accidentally drove into 2 people outside a synagogue on a Jewish holy day, didn't think his new winter coat looked like a bomb vest and simply wanted to pay his respects, forgetting he had a knife in his hand and was so desperate to atone for his sins in the synagogue that he tried to smash the windows in?

I didn't say his father was a terrorist I said he publicly declared support for an islamic terriost group.

I think they're trying to figure out why it was called terrorism not a hate crime like the one in the op.

Is that what you think about the Manchester attack, it shouldn’t be declared a terrorist attack?

Presumably for the police to define it as terrorism they must have evidence that it meets the definition under the Terrorism Act. Its not just a made up thing by the media.

What is?

If that poster is serious, on that we can agree @PraisebetoGod !

Actually @MrsSkylerWhite I'm sure in person there would be much we could agree on. These topics tend to be quite divisive and I wonder if maybe that's the whole point....

No need for the sarcastic eye roll.

There were in fact 2 people inside. We know this as they heard someone trying to get in then the fire was started. Luckily they escaped. If they had been killed it would have been murder.

You don't burn down a place of worship, just after prayers, and expect a place to be empty.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2dglp43xmo

I seriously doubt that