Why isn’t this front page news?

[Deerfolk]

If it was a church or a temple it would be seen as a terrorist attack. But because it’s a mosque it gets down graded to a hate crime.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15163567/Footage-arsonist-Mmosque-fire-police-probe-hate-crime.html

Maybe if police hadn’t been so busy with protest marches it wouldn’t have happened. More police presence is needed on our streets not at protest marches.

I do find it frustrating that when a white person attacks multiple people it's never terrorism. Seems like a brown face is required for terror, in the eyes of the media.

That said, I don't think this is terrorism as nobody was physically attacked. If they'd ran in with petrol bombs to start the fire in the middle of prayer, that would be terrorism.

Funny how when Mosques are burned down, regardless of the cause, it's a hate crime. But when a Church is destroyed in the same way, regardless of the cause, nobody cares.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgrqkyx2wpdo

It's almost like nobody gives a toss about Christianity because they're so scared of offending Islam.

Multifaith country my arse.

The country has an established Church of England, and yet nobody bats an eyelid when a community Church gets burned down.

Terrorism is ideologically rooted. Anders Breivik was a white 'right-wing terrorist'.

"Regardless of the cause" - what are you talking about, as if that's irrelevant! There is a security camera footage of a person setting the mosque on fire. There is absolutely nothing in that article that confirms or even suggests it was arson. Did you know that most church fires are accidental? Why don't you channel your anger into doing something to minimise the chances of churches going up in flames. It's got nothing to do appeasing or not offending Islam

Both places of worship were destroyed by fire. One was proven to be arson by way of surveillance (why do Mosques need surveillance?) and the other was an accident (no footage except for the fire services putting the fire out). The motivation or lack thereof matters. Like deciding if it was murder (killed with intent) or an accidental killing (manslaughter).

If it's done by a non-white or a Muslim.

Then it's a terrorist attack.

If it's a non-muslim white person then it's a mental health issue.

I thought that much was obvious.

I don’t think anyone is particularly interested.

Obviously you’ve heard about them as you are quoting it as a statistic.

Arson attacks on churches in the UK are reported. Just google ‘Church arson attacks UK news’ and you’ll see many articles throughout the years.

It was an accidental fire, started in the kitchen of the church.

What does an accidental fire have to do with Islam?

Something can be both a terrorist attack and a hate crime.

This arson attack on a mosque is a hate crime because it appears to have been motivated by hatred for Muslims.

It would also be a terrorist attack if its intent was also to cause wider fear and alarm among Muslims, not just those belonging to that particular mosque.

Hate crimes are investigated by local police, terrorist acts by the Counter Terrorism police.

I guess if this arsonist belongs to a wider network of people planning and carrying out attacks on mosques in order to intimidate Muslims it could be upgraded. If the attack had been more serious against people (like the Finsbury Park Mosque attack in 2017) then it would also have been upgraded.

Only if they knew they were inside and it was a targetted attack on them, I think.

I'm so glad they weren't hurt.

Is it not front page news? I'd certainly heard about this appalling attack, and I'd only been on a news website for a couple of minutes today.

What absolute bollocks. Jo Cox's killing was far right terrorism, the bombing of the Admiral Duncan and other black and gay venues was classified as terrorism. The Salisbury poisonings were terrorism. All committed by white UK and non-UK people.

Over 150 churches in the UK have been subjected to arson attacks in the last five years, most of them have probably only made the local papers let alone the national news. There seems to be a worrying trend of trying to burn down the establishments of varying religions.

It was the first story on the BBC news I heard

Ok, so you managed to think of 4 examples, BUT every time there is an 'incident' there will be a scramble from the press to find out what the colour of the perpetrator is because they can't wait to drop the T word.

Had to Google the information actually!

And where's all the moral outrage on mumsnet for these church arson attacks?

Genuinely not sure - the synagogue attack, one man, not part of a terrorist grp, = terrorist attack rather than he’s just unhinged but this attack on a mosque, despite being obviously ideological in nature too NOT terrorism?

How many times have you started a thread about attacks on Churches?

Edit: Just did a quick search on MN for threads about attacks on Churches, there’s quite a fair amount.

Did you bother doing a search before asking where all the threads are or did you choose to imagine there are none?

They've arrested three other people for the synagogue attack.

Yeah searched church arson came back with one result which is this thread. LInk all the threads you found please.

Because it was “only” Muslims who were targeted.