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Readyforslippers · 05/10/2025 12:46

It is the main news item on the England page of the BBC.

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/10/2025 12:47

Just googled, 38,500 Christian places of worship and 1,800-2,500 mosques so percentage of buildings is probably more relevant than number of incidents. Won’t attempt to work that out with my tragic maths.

Anyway. Anyone attacking any place of worship is a moron.

Baggingarea · 05/10/2025 12:47

Because it unfortunately happens quite a lot and not just to mosques.

MrTumblesSpottyBoxers · 05/10/2025 12:49

PraisebetoGod · 05/10/2025 12:22

Doesn't seem anything like a terriost attack. It's arson. Not sure why this warrants any attention...I mean, the insurer Ecclesiastical reported over 150 churches experienced arson attacks in the UK over the five years leading up to 2022. We never hear about these do we?

People setting churches on fire are bored teenagers in the middle of the night.
People setting mosques on fire are people who want to send a message to Muslims that they are not welcome and/or to hurt Muslims

MidlandsGal1 · 05/10/2025 12:49

Attacks on mosques happen fairly regularly, no one really bats an eyelid and there’s a common theme of “they deserve it” on social media.

PraisebetoGod · 05/10/2025 12:54

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/10/2025 12:42

No I don’t believe any religion trumps another. I’m an atheist. All attacks should be reported.

So you'd agree it's strange that this one arson attack on a mosque is being posted as news, on the back of what happened in Manchester? Do you think that's deliberate? You surely would agree that's it's not fair that the arson attacks on churches never make the news at all?

PraisebetoGod · 05/10/2025 12:56

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/10/2025 12:44

Out of curiosity, do you know what percentage of buildings representing both religions that is?

No.

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/10/2025 12:56

PraisebetoGod · 05/10/2025 12:54

So you'd agree it's strange that this one arson attack on a mosque is being posted as news, on the back of what happened in Manchester? Do you think that's deliberate? You surely would agree that's it's not fair that the arson attacks on churches never make the news at all?

I think it’s a fairly reasonable connection to make.

Roseandviolin · 05/10/2025 13:00

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PraisebetoGod · 05/10/2025 13:01

MrTumblesSpottyBoxers · 05/10/2025 12:49

People setting churches on fire are bored teenagers in the middle of the night.
People setting mosques on fire are people who want to send a message to Muslims that they are not welcome and/or to hurt Muslims

Can you back up all these claims?
Perhaps a Muslim did it to garner more sympathy or paint themselves as victims. Perhaps it was done to garner more hate and division in the country? Who knows ey?

CautiousLurker01 · 05/10/2025 13:05

SriouslyWhutNow · 05/10/2025 12:28

Well given that they weren’t even initially able to pinpoint Axel Rudakubana as a terrorist due to lack of him having “I’m a terrorist” written on his forehead, I’d expect there’s a well-defined threshold that hasn’t been met just like during the initial Southport investigation. It’s not about who the target was. 🙄 But keep with the whataboutery, it’s such a good look after this week’s actual terrorist attack.

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Tbf - it may have been kids, possibly even muslim kids, so until they know who and why the fire was started they can’t really label it.

In the Heaton temple shooting, they had the perpetrator and clear evidence that it was an anti-semitic attack, so it naturally got reported as such.

HelenaWaiting · 05/10/2025 13:06

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Reported.

ErrorCode350 · 05/10/2025 13:07

Perhaps a Muslim did it to garner more sympathy or paint themselves as victims.

Have to admit that did cross my mind, take the heat off what happened last week etc
What a time to be alive.

MrTumblesSpottyBoxers · 05/10/2025 13:10

PraisebetoGod · 05/10/2025 13:01

Can you back up all these claims?
Perhaps a Muslim did it to garner more sympathy or paint themselves as victims. Perhaps it was done to garner more hate and division in the country? Who knows ey?

There is a chance of that yes.

The insurer discussed earlier itself says on their website the following
"arson is often as a result of the actions of an individual and with no clear trends. This makes proactive action to protect church buildings even more important"

Furthermore they specifically give tips on how to protect churches from arson, including "to make the church look as busy as possible, use the building as much as possible for church and community activities".
This alludes that this is down to boredom/pyromaniacs who wouldn't attempt it if there were people regularly using the church.

PraisebetoGod · 05/10/2025 13:11

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/10/2025 12:47

Just googled, 38,500 Christian places of worship and 1,800-2,500 mosques so percentage of buildings is probably more relevant than number of incidents. Won’t attempt to work that out with my tragic maths.

Anyway. Anyone attacking any place of worship is a moron.

If you're figures are correct it would be less than 1 percent for both churches and mosques. But I'm not sure your point is valid regardless. There are simply more attacks on churches than there are for mosques. Yet it's only mosques that make the news. There's a reason for that. And that's what people need to question. Why?

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/10/2025 13:11

PraisebetoGod · 05/10/2025 13:01

Can you back up all these claims?
Perhaps a Muslim did it to garner more sympathy or paint themselves as victims. Perhaps it was done to garner more hate and division in the country? Who knows ey?

You’re seriously suggesting that a religious believer would set fire to their holy place?
Get a grip.

MrTumblesSpottyBoxers · 05/10/2025 13:12

PraisebetoGod · 05/10/2025 13:11

If you're figures are correct it would be less than 1 percent for both churches and mosques. But I'm not sure your point is valid regardless. There are simply more attacks on churches than there are for mosques. Yet it's only mosques that make the news. There's a reason for that. And that's what people need to question. Why?

Because of WHY people are setting mosques on fire, it's not rocket science. It is not the same reason that churches are being set on fire!!

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/10/2025 13:13

PraisebetoGod · 05/10/2025 13:11

If you're figures are correct it would be less than 1 percent for both churches and mosques. But I'm not sure your point is valid regardless. There are simply more attacks on churches than there are for mosques. Yet it's only mosques that make the news. There's a reason for that. And that's what people need to question. Why?

I don’t know. As I said, all such attacks should be reported.

ErrorCode350 · 05/10/2025 13:13

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/10/2025 13:11

You’re seriously suggesting that a religious believer would set fire to their holy place?
Get a grip.

It was outside wasn’t it?

ErrorCode350 · 05/10/2025 13:14

MrTumblesSpottyBoxers · 05/10/2025 13:12

Because of WHY people are setting mosques on fire, it's not rocket science. It is not the same reason that churches are being set on fire!!

How do you know what the reasons are?

PandoraSocks · 05/10/2025 13:16

HelenaWaiting · 05/10/2025 13:06

Reported.

Pp has withdrawn the comment but we all saw it. Disgusting.

Deerfolk · 05/10/2025 13:18

Wow just blame the Muslims they did it to themselves!?

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PraisebetoGod · 05/10/2025 13:19

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/10/2025 13:11

You’re seriously suggesting that a religious believer would set fire to their holy place?
Get a grip.

Oh sweetie, you can't imagine a world where that could be possible? Bless you.

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/10/2025 13:23

PraisebetoGod · 05/10/2025 13:19

Oh sweetie, you can't imagine a world where that could be possible? Bless you.

I’m not your sweetie. Your suggestion is offensive.
Perhaps disgruntled members of the Christian congregations whose churches are subject to vandalism regularly are responsible too? Or is it only other religions who are trying to “garner sympathy”.
Your username is beyond ironic.

MrTumblesSpottyBoxers · 05/10/2025 13:23

The insurer who published the number of arson attacks - Ecclesiastical, which itself was established by the Church Of England to provide cover insurance for churches and is wholly owned by a religious Christian Trust- makes it very clear on their website that these are isolated incidents and not a trend, and that there are ways these can be avoided e.g by locking churches up properly at night and by making churches look more busy. Given this firm is the insurer and will be well aware of any police investigations carried out, if they knew of sinister hate motives are they going to encourage more people to attend to make it look busy?

www.ecclesiastical.com/media-centre/arson-attacks-cause-damage/

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