11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

[Uggbootsforever]

Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

For all the pro-immigration open borders people, I always ask how many is too many? Because we have a finite physical infrastructure. There is no way we can build a bigger road or train network, even if we could add many more houses, hospitals and schools. There are physical limits and at some point you have to put limits on how many more people can come in without life here becoming untenable. But if putting limits in place is racist, then what are our options?

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Immigration also increases births, a fact pp seem to want to deny

They won’t answer - they never do. Never once, in probably hundreds of such threads, have I seen this question answered.

It does round here...huge tower blocks going up everywhere.

The number of immigrants has gone through the roof since COVID.

@Uggbootsforever I've put YABU. There is so much misinformation out there and you absolutely need to cite your sources. This sounds plainly wrong anyway and you haven't shown it is net migration. It sounds like your figures would include our international workers who come over from the US and Europe for a year or twos contract, but who knows as I can't see what you are looking at.

I spent ages debating with a lady the other day who was saying over and over that 'immigrants commit more crimes than non immigrants' and when I finally saw her source it was a % change over three years and worth absolutely nothing mathematically without starting and end totals.

Too many people don't understand maths and statistics properly for me to believe you have truly evaluated something I can't see and take it on merit.

So what are you saying then?

Immigration was too high and now it's coming down.

Of course we can build more infrastructure. We could easily build roads and railways. The will just isn't there

Oh aye. What are we going to do with all those pesky OAPs eh?

Agreed, it should be deleted. I'm so fed up with people peddling lies on this site. How many more fools will read her post and treat it as fact? No wonder so many fools are gobbling up Reform's bile, when so many can't even begin to comprehend or analyse statistics.

There are many posts on MN where the facts and figures and content are not spot on. People can challenge them on the information, then people will read and take into account the alternative take from others. I think people generally are intelligent enough to do their own fact finding.

More habitat destruction, higher flood risk, more pollution, green lungs lost…

Why would I want what remains of the countryside built over with motorways?

So that’s the new idea re immigration?
We need to stop immigration to protect little birds? That’s the argument?

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Key stats1.

Net migration in recent years

For the year ending December 2024, net migration (immigrants minus emigrants) is estimated at +431,000. In the previous year (ending December 2023), it was about +860,000.

1. Annual immigration (long-term migrants)In the year ending June 2024, around 1.2 million people came to the UK intending to stay for at least 12 months. For year ending December 2023, the ONS estimated immigrant arrivals around 1.3 million.

1. Historical context / averaged net migration

According to a Migration Advisory Committee report: net migration averaged about 223,000 per year in the 2000s and about 260,000 per year in the 2010s.

---Estimation of total since 2000

If we use those averages as a baseline (which smooths out fluctuations), here’s a rough estimate:

From 2000 to 2010: ~223,000 × 10 = ~2.23 million net migrants

From 2010 to 2020: ~260,000 × 10 = ~2.60 million net migrants

From 2020 to mid-2025 (say ~5 years): net migration has jumped in recent years, so it could be more than the 2010s average. Let’s say an average of ~600,000 per year (given recent large figures).

That gives ~3.0 million in that period.Adding them:~2.23 M + ~2.60 M + ~3.00 M = ≈ 7.8 million net migrants since 2000.

^^ From ChatGPT

So, not 11 million. But still a significant amount.

I'm as liberal leftie as you can get but even I can see that this will have had an impact on people in terms of housing, services, and the feeling of being over crowded.

That being said, when most people talk about the issues that they believe immigration causes, what they are actually talking about it repeated government failure to provide adequate services. Plus the failure of the British public to understand that you can't expect Nordic style services whilst only paying Greek style taxes.

Again, happy for you to do the sums, bring them here and prove me wrong.

@BallerinaRadiodo you think numbers should keep going up?

As people arrive they age and the situation continues, more people are needed. Or do you think at some point numbers shouldn’t go up?

Have you only just worked out that the UK is not food self-sufficient?
Change your diet to more carlin beans, broad beans, hazelnuts, seaweed and winter veg and give up meat if you're that bothered. We are hopelessly inefficient and anachronistic in how we eat and how we use our land and we could do so far more effectively and no, more cows and sheep is not the best way.

Unfortunately I’m going to say people are not likely to do their own fact findings….

We'll keep going with it, sadly. GDP etc. There aren't enough babies being born and many couples are either unable to afford children or are plagued with fertility trouble (I fall into the latter category) and many more are being priced out of IVF (the NHS offer a very limited service and there are many people against the NHS offering IVF in the first place, which I find very odd).

So the quick fix is to import infinity migrants. They'll get paid more akin with their salaries back home and are more willing to put in the effort, work twice as hard and accept a lower standard of living. The politicians responsible for such policies won't be in office for very long, a decade at most (Tony Blair lasted 8 years) so it becomes the responsibility of the newly elected, whomever they turn out to be. I don't envy them. They'll be left with a huge mess.

The future is looking pretty grim imo. We'll get through it. With our sanity intact? Not sure. But we'll survive.

It’s a bit more than that.

"What remains of the countryside"

As you're so big on facts you'll know what percentage of this country is built on right?

Btw @Uggbootsforever your 11 millions who work immigrants is the gross number, nit net. 7 millions have left in the U.K. in the same period…

Just for clarity

If something is posted that isn't true, it should be removed. Especially a post like this in the current climate.

Seriously? You think people on here haven’t already made their own minds up about situations, based on their own research? I honestly don’t think anyone coming on here is going to change their minds or blindly follow someone based on figures provided on one post. It’s all relative. Figures can be manipulated or twisted to meet someone’s agenda on both sides.