11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

[Uggbootsforever]

Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

Population increases also result from people living longer, though. Not just births. If you have a population of 1000 and every year 100 children are born and 100 old people die, it remains stable. If 80 children are born but only 70 old people die, you get an increase. You haven’t taken that into consideration, OP. Essentially you haven’t justified your opening premise that this all comes from immigration.

it is far more worrying that the facilities aren’t being provided for our ageing population. Fortunately, the immigrants that do move here tend to be young people, so hopefully they can generate the tax revenue that we need to support the rest of us as we get older.

Don’t you think there is enough hate around without you agitating for more?

This is getting so tiresome I will only repeat it 1 last time.

ONS has very clear net migration figures, per year, since the early 90s. If you add up the net figures, it is over 10 million people.

The minimum net migration was 100,000 in the early 90s. That then boomed in the 2000s and again in the 2010s, peaking at 800,000 in 2022. 30 years of a minimum 100,000 people per year but more like 300,000 or 400,000, will indeed result in a very high number.

Very happy to be proved wrong by somebody else adding up those numbers and telling me I’m way out.

Do you hate wildlife? Why do you want them all wiped out?

As per your link, immigration is coming down and will continue to do so

What do you want to happen @Uggbootsforever ?

Mass deportations of those who came here since 2000?

Of course it is a thread about immigration. You didn't even mention any other factors like births, deaths or life expectancy.

If you built on all that countryside, we'd have nothing to eat. A country can be overpopulated and still needs lots of countryside for food.

I have because I’ve only gone from the net migration figures, not the entire population as a whole. If that’s true then I expect it’ll be more than 11 million.

Again - can anyone else do the sums and prove me wrong, clearly and numerically?

We've been over populated for decades. Hence why so many of us are concerned about adding more and more heads. Concern over food security isn't a new thing, but for those of us worried about it 1m extra mouths to feed in a year is rapidly a accelerating the problem.

I’ve said very clearly on multiple threads that I do not want mass deportation, and I am not a Reform voter (nor will I be).

Because it's not bloody true!

Until 15 years ago or so we could just about feed the population if we needed to, but no more.

I think some farming practices are responsible for the decline in wildlife. Does that worry you as well?

11million people.
11 millions who came as adults, already trained, saving us thousands and thousands of pounds re their education, health etc….
11 millions who work in the U.K., creating wealth. Spending money. Allowing for the U.K. economy to grow
11 millions who are part of the workforce companies need. And wo which theyd struggle
11 millions, of which a sizeable number are doctors and nurses taking care of us.
11 millions that pay taxes, allowing us to pay pensions (better ratio between working age peole vs retired)
11 millions to compensate for the poor natality rate we have. One that creates huge issues society wide (look at Japan and the impact of an elderly population on the economy)

Yep. Theres a lot to be thankful to those 11 millions that decided to come here.

there’s nothing wrong with immigration - uk needs more people to keep its economy going. The question is getting the right people who are going to contribute to society and providing them jobs and ways to do so. This country is too focused on old pensioners that everything else has fallen by the wayside.

So prove me wrong, with numbers.

Work out the net migration figure since 2000, and tell me it.

Yes.
The argument that the UK is not overpopulated because we still have countryside is like saying housing isn't overcrowded if you can still see carpet.

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I don't agree with it because it's not true

Immigration is controllable. Or are you suggesting rather than focusing on the controllable bit we should start controlling life expectancy and the number of deaths, by most sane people that is seen a dystopian step that governments shouldn't ever consider (withdraw medical introversions for over 70 etc)

Well you must hate wildlife, because you want to continue a project which is destroying their habitats. Why do you hate them so much?

How old are all these people commenting about deletion and mass deportation and what not?

I have only just come on this thread 5 mins ago, haven’t even had a chance to read it properly yet. This is a perfectly legitimate conversation that has been had multiple times on MN over the entire time I have been on here. C. 15 years or so.

Never has anyone had that reaction. What has happened to the country, our education system, our zeitgeist; that people can not discuss a a simple numbers based science question.

Seriously what the fuck is going on!?

The U.K. has NEVER been self sufficient, even less so after the industrialisation.
Even during WWII when all the farmland used was maximised, it only managed to cover about 60% of the needs.
It’s not new. And has little to do with ‘immigration’

This is just nuts. Your 11 million figure is simply not true, and multiple people have explained why.