11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

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Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

This link suggests it's a bit more nuanced than 'it's all due to 11 million immigrants': https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-impact-of-migration-on-uk-population-growth/

But isn't it always.

OP won’t reply properly to posts that don’t fit their narrative - including ones where they have been incorrect. I kindly took the time to explain that more births than deaths would lead to a population increase, but I guess that didn’t fit with OP’s narrative either.

I must be imagining the NHS care I received in the 90s, the social housing I lived in and the school I went do. I must’ve spent the days chasing a hoop with a stick, and blocked it out from the trauma. Silly me

Why isn't it relevant?

1 child policy! There you go I fixed the problem for you. 😂😂😂Oh ..but only for the immigrants.

I think a country is over populated when it can't grow its own food. Given we no longer have a empire to feed us or a navy to help get food in. If there was another world war we are looking at the same slow starvation as Gaza.

this is actually a good point - the trend for falling birth rates is happening globally. It is most notable in western societies but statisticians have noted that it occurring everywhere but we don't notice it as much because certain countries and demographics are behind the curve. Also, although immigrants tend to have higher birth rates than 'non-immigrants', it generally falls over time to fall in line with that of the native population.

What we actually need to be doing is readjusting our economy and society so that we are no longer reliant on immigrant workforces.

That’s great. There’s still an issue with a need for an ever increasing base to support the larger aging one.

Looking at the overall system it’s not viable. In any case AI will interrupt the model.

I'm surprised the post is still up to be fair or at least been made to edit the title.

But actually it should probably really be deleted

You don’t need to lower the birth rate, it’s happening anyway.

Why?

From a census 10 years ago.

Utilities companies and food companies think its between 77 million and 80 million.

Dentistry isn't an immigration issue (in fact I think without immigration we would have far fewer dentists). It was at some point in the 80s/90s that changes to dental contracts meant that all dentists in my area went private only and it's only got worse since. NHS funding of dentists is insufficient to attract and retain NHS dentists.

GP issues are similarly much more complicated than population size.

Totally agree with you
Reform seem to be the only political party prepared to tackle it , probably why they are so popular.
It's never been about race for me either

I am sorry what?! You think the thread should be deleted why!!!

Until they raise pension age to create an equilibrium, the state pension will always be a ponzi scheme,

We now have more people than acres which is a really worrying situation.

In the event of food chains being disrupted (which is already happening but thus far has lead only to price increases, which has been lamented enough on here), we literally would not be able to feed our population. People would starve.

No doubt when the unthinkable happens and this plays out the very same posters calling for this thread to be deleted will wonder ‘how on earth we allowed this to happen’

Do you think immigrants arrive as a stable age group? Equal numbers of older people and younger people? If that was the case how would they be supporting an aging population? Or do you think they are disproportionately younger workers here to bring succour to the older population of the Uk? And if the latter then on what is your basis for them not having babies?

I would take the hit for later generations because that’s what proper adults should do.

We haven't been able to feed ourselves for decades. We should definitely look at how we'd address this.

Why indeed. It’s a discussion on how to deal with a pretty big issue.

So what you’re saying is you basically fudged your own figures…

Because this isn’t even really about immigration, it’s about overpopulation. Every single immigrant could be a net contributor and it still wouldn’t negate the effects of overpopulation. If this increase was due to British citizens having 5 or 6 kids each, and not due to immigration, I would feel the same way.

Why? You think it should be deleted because you don’t agree with or like what’s being said? If the thread’s frustrating you, then why not just, you know, hide it?

You're romanticizing the past OP. The NHS of the 90s provided much more limited care, the social housing was already being sold off and the education system excluded and failed many children in already dilapidated buildings.