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11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

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Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 08:40

Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

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Bumblebee72 · 04/10/2025 17:50

SerendipityJane · 04/10/2025 17:43

Someones arse.

I mean if 11 million people have immigrated since 2000, then 1 in 7 of us are immigrants.

Fuck that bollocks.

1 in 7 is almost right. 15% which slightly more than 1 in 7 of the uk population was born abroad.

This is the report from the OECD.

United Kingdom: International Migration Outlook 2024 | OECD

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 17:51

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 17:47

11.4 million people living in the UK were born outside so actually more than 1 in 7. I love that you thought a figure even less than that was so shocking as to be ‘bollocks’ - hoisted by your own petard.

Let’s do this once and for all.

Since then, net migration has been consistently positive, so adding to the population of the UK. It averaged 223,000 during the 2000s and 260,000 during the 2010s. The figure demonstrates the very unusual levels of net migration observed since 2021.

223,000 x 10 =2,230,000
260,000 x 10 =2,600,000

So that’s nearly 5 million (4.83m) net immigration from 2000-2019.

2020 - 34,000 (Covid)
2021 - 484,000
2022 - 745,000
2023 - 860,000
2024 - 431,000

Total from the above plus 4.83 million is around 7 million. That’s the minimum, as this doesn’t include off the record immigrants and visa over-stayers. That is likely a couple of million more.

All taken from ONS.

Just to put this in context we’ve added more than an entire Scotland and Wales combined since the Millennium.

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MaurineWayBack · 04/10/2025 17:53

Born outside the U.K. doesn’t equate immigrants.
You can be born outside the U.K. and still be British.

MaurineWayBack · 04/10/2025 17:54

And your calculation doesn’t include those who LEFT

MaurineWayBack · 04/10/2025 17:54

And your calculation doesn’t include those who LEFT

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 17:54

MaurineWayBack · 04/10/2025 17:53

Born outside the U.K. doesn’t equate immigrants.
You can be born outside the U.K. and still be British.

Yes but the majority won’t be born to British parents, by quite a long way .

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Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 17:55

MaurineWayBack · 04/10/2025 17:54

And your calculation doesn’t include those who LEFT

They’re net figures.

So they do.

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Bumblebee72 · 04/10/2025 17:57

MaurineWayBack · 04/10/2025 17:53

Born outside the U.K. doesn’t equate immigrants.
You can be born outside the U.K. and still be British.

Quote wrong post so edited.

EasternStandard · 04/10/2025 18:00

Bumblebee72 · 04/10/2025 17:50

1 in 7 is almost right. 15% which slightly more than 1 in 7 of the uk population was born abroad.

This is the report from the OECD.

United Kingdom: International Migration Outlook 2024 | OECD

Does the pp reaction still apply

SerendipityJane · 04/10/2025 18:03

MaurineWayBack · 04/10/2025 17:54

And your calculation doesn’t include those who LEFT

"Calculation" is way to dignified for this level of innumeracy.

TwoBagsOfCompost · 04/10/2025 18:05

We're millions and millions, we do not die, we reproduce frantically, and we're coming for you. Native Brits beware, the forrins are here.

TwoBagsOfCompost · 04/10/2025 18:07

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 17:54

Yes but the majority won’t be born to British parents, by quite a long way .

This is horrifying. Babies not born to British parents is an abomination. Goes against God's will. Defies all logic. All dignity.

Myrtletown · 04/10/2025 18:08

TwoBagsOfCompost · 04/10/2025 18:07

This is horrifying. Babies not born to British parents is an abomination. Goes against God's will. Defies all logic. All dignity.

I think it can be ok if you daub a St George flag over their face within 24 hours of birth.

Bumblebee72 · 04/10/2025 18:09

BadWoIf · 04/10/2025 16:03

Well, I can only conclude that we must have very different ideas of what might be conducive to good mental health, happiness and a healthy environment. You lauded Bumblebee's suggestions that included getting rid of old people, banning newbuilds from having gardens, and intensively rearing chickens underground! I think these would be most people's idea of hell.

Bumblebee's suggestions:
> Increasing the size of the country like Dubai and the Netherlands do. As suggest we could dam the Wash for example. There must be area of coast we could recover and build on.
> Reducing the number of older people to house and feed. Which is pretty unpaleble to most.
> Increasing housing density. Like build a second tier of social house on top of the existing social housing on stilts. Or my other suggestion of using unproductive buildings - convert all reglious buildings to flats. We could alternatively ban gardens for new builds, make smaller houses, build higher or deeper - maybe we build underground housing. benefit the fields for food.
> Or increase food production density. We are already start to build verticals farms. May be intensively food like chickens could be raised underground underneath housing
What ever it is we need fundamental discussion about how to change the country. Spending 21 pages arguing if we should the numbers are 7, 8 or 11 is really irrelevant.

Your response:
These are all such interesting point and one of the most thoughtful posts I've seen on a MN immigration thread. I really like your point about food production density, unfortunately the government don't seem to be engaging with the farming industry very well but I'm sure plenty would be up for this.

What would be your plan? I seem to the only who has ideas as to how to increase the population, and reduce food insecuity and reduce the housing crisis. Some more realistic than others. I put some of the more outside the box ideas that came my head like banning garden centres from selling ornamental plants so that every garden productive.

pointythings · 04/10/2025 18:09

Myrtletown · 04/10/2025 18:08

I think it can be ok if you daub a St George flag over their face within 24 hours of birth.

Well, damn. Totally didn't know I needed to do that with my two DC 22 and 24 years ago. One EU parent, one US parent, so 100% forrin. Right then, better start practising in case we're called upon to undermine some British values.

TwoBagsOfCompost · 04/10/2025 18:13

Myrtletown · 04/10/2025 18:08

I think it can be ok if you daub a St George flag over their face within 24 hours of birth.

It doesn't hurt trying I suppose, but if a baby has forrin parents then may God have mercy on its soul.

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 18:15

TwoBagsOfCompost · 04/10/2025 18:13

It doesn't hurt trying I suppose, but if a baby has forrin parents then may God have mercy on its soul.

Yes the silliness usually pops up to distract from facts.

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TwoBagsOfCompost · 04/10/2025 18:17

pointythings · 04/10/2025 18:09

Well, damn. Totally didn't know I needed to do that with my two DC 22 and 24 years ago. One EU parent, one US parent, so 100% forrin. Right then, better start practising in case we're called upon to undermine some British values.

Do not fret my child. Not all forrins are equal. The US person is OK. Where is the EU person from? The good Europe or the bad Europe? If they're from the bad Europe then I'm afraid they're a forrin, but if they're from the good Europe then welcome welcome welcome 😊😊😊

TwoBagsOfCompost · 04/10/2025 18:18

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 18:15

Yes the silliness usually pops up to distract from facts.

I can't help it, I'm forrin.

Myrtletown · 04/10/2025 18:20

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 18:15

Yes the silliness usually pops up to distract from facts.

This is gold. Distracting people from ‘facts’ that you’ve literally made up!

Bumblebee72 · 04/10/2025 18:20

TwoBagsOfCompost · 04/10/2025 18:18

I can't help it, I'm forrin.

I think mean a child.

TwoBagsOfCompost · 04/10/2025 18:22

Bumblebee72 · 04/10/2025 18:20

I think mean a child.

Eh?

Petrolitis · 04/10/2025 18:22

thedramaQueen · 04/10/2025 09:02

Yes it is

Exactly it's a discussion forum

Uggbootsforever · 04/10/2025 18:23

TwoBagsOfCompost · 04/10/2025 18:18

I can't help it, I'm forrin.

So? Who cares. We are discussing further immigration, not existing ones.

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Myrtletown · 04/10/2025 18:23

@TwoBagsOfCompost Bumblebee posts a fair few garbled posts - I called one out earlier and they didn’t respond back. I fear wine may be being consumed….

edited to add their earlier one that made no sense…..

Ballerina never back after the links that validate the scale is in the right ball if not completely correctly label. If you she so shocked that understanding was that she has gone to sign up for Reform.

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