11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

[Uggbootsforever]

Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

Have you changed your view in the light of the data being 100% different to what you believed before? Or is your view set regardless of the data?

So what was the net migration figure for the period?

Why do you keep asking me the same questions?

Yes very true

So you what to change it to There has been some/lots/a few immigrants since 2000. I can see why MN might have found that unhelpful

I said people can work it out, other posters did, fine by me. If you’re going to say other people are posting ‘lies’ perhaps check your figures first.

You repeatedly colluded with OP without once questioning the figure.

This describes my friend’s dad perfectly. He’s in his 70s, severely disabled, and after her mum died he went back to Nigeria and married a much younger woman. He now has 2 kids under 8 and a live in carer.

I have to say my friend is at a loss about the whole situation. She now has half siblings younger than her own kids and the whole situation is a constant source of worry. The kids are going back and forwards between countries and not getting a proper education.

OP clarified the title:

It cut my title in half - was supposed to say ‘when is our population too high?’

Changing the title to just 'when is our population too high?' would start the same discussion without any figures

Because if I had a viewpoint that was based on a number and realised that number was wrong, I would review my viewpoint. If it had turned that the population had only increase from 58m to 61m, I might ok that not be too worried about 4% over 25 years. Its a pretty different outcome to a 18% increase over the same period.

No I said @Bumblebee72was closer. You quoted that said I know you’re aware.

Yes most definitely better. The days when you could walk into a&e and be seen without a huge wait. You could see your family doctor whenever you needed to. The days when people could get a council house when they needed one and those council estates where very respectable and tidy places. Jobs were so much easier to come by and the opportunities for progression were vast. You could get a place in your local school without huge waiting lists and people respected authority. People were not terrified to say the wrong thing and were not treading on egg shells. Yes definitely better.

Simple answer when the country is unable to produce enough food to feed itself, then it is overpopulated. The UK is over populated and has been for many years in my view.

Well yes. You can’t just make a figure up. Unless you want the UK to become like the US with fake facts and data used to push agendas. Be honest and truthful if you want discussion. The op doesn’t know the right number, that’s ok as it appears to probably not exist. But she shouldn’t make one up and state it as fact. Are you arguing with that logic?

What is the right number then? Go ahead and tell me.

Good idea

Hello, not sure if you’ve read the post you’re responding to properly here….try again.

So much wrong with this! The OP seems to be pulling numbers out of mid air and not understanding so very much. AIBU? Yes OP, you are.

Look at the chain, she only backed down to 7-8m AFTER i said it was 6.6m.

She doesn't so apparently the ONS don't know either. If only we had a body in the UK controlling these types of statistics.

The estimates range between 6m and even higher than my calculation; and none of that takes into account people here ‘off the record’ or overstaying visas.

Attacking posters with ‘lies’ posts doesn’t make sense anyway, but especially not if your 2.5m was wrong.

She said an accurate number probably doesn't exist, which you seem to be agreeing with here? There's a huge variation in official estimates. So we don't really know an accurate number.

I’ve already explained that the figure of 2.5m was taken from a different thread and I posted the google data from that thread.

At least I’m willing to re-look at data. You seem fixated on defending the 11m lie.

Not RTFT, @Uggbootsforever as I get annoyed with everyone saying 'source'? I don't care about the source, we haven't got the space, housing, money, NHS treatment etc to keep letting people in.
I'm fine with sending food wherever, if that's what people need, but am totally pissed off with more & more people crowding in, it's taking the piss. I don't expect people to agree, & frankly couldn't care less whether they do or not, this is MY opinion.