11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

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Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

They are not even that. Your earlier post on the DA and being able to send everyone back ‘no questions asked’ is incorrect.

That is not available to any EU country now. Germany cannot send everyone back to first country of entry for example.

What a load of crap. I could post that the Sky is yellow and MN wouldn’t delete it.

interesting - apparently most of those who are anti-immigration self identify as racists!

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5421742-81-of-those-anti-mass-immigration-identify-as-racists?reply=147590142

But all of those factors would lead to high net migration? You believe in the same net migration was much lower than I quoted for the ONS

Where did I say it’s the right one? I literally said I don’t know, I’m not an economist.

I note you still haven’t apologised for your 11 million lie. Typical.

@Myrtletowninterested too

The Tories have also said they will withdraw from the ECHR now if the won the next election.so it apoears its days are numbered. The same conversations are going on across much of Europe.

Why would I apologise? It’s not a lie, it’s the clearest estimate based on the figures I had. You sound crazy - flinging accusations at everyone yet your ‘position’ doesn’t stand up to the most gentle of questioning.

I asked them to remove the stat and leave the thread. So people can discuss without an unverified number as the start point

And your 2.5m figure, a lie?

I doubt we will get a response obfuscation strategies don't work when have to make a decision.

I responded to you above. Happy to help

Yes, they did lead to higher immigration.

I’m not calling for more immigration. I’m just not a fan of demonising immigrants and asylum seekers.

Absolutely. Eventually they dodge clear questions so much you realise they’re trying to make the argument so incomprehensible it can mean anything they want it to mean.

Who is demonising immigrants? And what is that demonisation?

lol- is this from the thread where the figure comes from you’re “research across the internet”

Well I asked my mates down the pub, sorry, during my research across the UK hospitality sector and they think you’re talking a load of codswhallop.

Um, again, I answered about 4 minutes ago. What’s wrong with you all!

I asked them to remove the number which is your unverified estimation and leave the thread. This would seem a sensible start point for discussion no?

I mean I hope they all get arrested for inciting anti semitism

Funny that….seems made up numbers aren’t loved when on the other foot

The environmental crisis is driving immigration as parts of the world become uninhabitable.

Of course, if we genuinely cared about these things we'd support climate measures and increase foreign aid. We'd set up asylum processing centres in Europe so that all claims could be properly assessed and those with valid claims could then proceed. Safer and a lot less expensive for all.

But oops, Reform wouldn"t support any of these things. Why do that when you could whip up hate instead?

I’ve already explained that the figure of 2.5m was taken from a different thread and I posted the google data from that thread.

At least I’m willing to re-look at data. You seem fixated on your 11m lie, like a robot.

There's no value judgements in the OP post. It's economics.

You are aware there are people posting who didn’t write the thread title?

I haven’t used 11m. I did question your figure as it was wrong.

Case in point for demonisation.

And yet never questioned the OP. Funny that.