11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

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Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

Interesting you mention Tokyo. My understanding is that the population of Japan is falling and predicted to continue falling.

They’re probably relieved, convenience aside. It’s a beautiful country but overpopulation has caused no end of issues.

The OP didn’t say 11m population increase, s/he said 11m immigrants. Which is patently false.

I think that number about right for net mitragtion. The ONS says total income migration is 16m less outgoing mitration of 8m.

What I don't is why poster seem to think that 7m materially changes the argument from 11m? It seems like a strategy to tie the thread up in knots rather than address the fundamental point the country has 20% more people than it did 25 year ago.

Because they have no other card to play beside that and accusing me of imaginary bigotry.

But wrong on the low side. There were 16m immigrants in the last 25 years. Then people oh they meant net immigrants not immigrants which bring it down to 7-8m.

If Brexit hadn't stopped people going from the UK to live in Europe then we'd have far fewer people here

Repeated post, deleted.

People come to the UK and leave, shocker.

11m net migrants is a big fat lie. End of.

And 7-8m is also a made up figure.

It rose significantly even when we could do that. Far more came here than left.

My strategy for increasing the provision of space would be to convert all religious buildings into flats. That would reduce story book hatred and help solve the housing crisis in one go. Even the religious people could get behind with a narrative of their god/s are helping the people today.

Your 2.5m wasn’t correct. The post you’re replying to is closer to what it is.

I’d really like to address the truism I hear over and over on here regarding immigration- “ We need overseas workers to do the jobs British people think they are too good to do”
I often get the feeling the people saying this have never been poor or working class.
The reality is this: If you are, for example a lone parent with no car and you need a job you will find that supermarkets and shops don’t need many people anymore, and the ones that do will only give random hours so you can’t plan in childcare.
You’d be expected to do early/ late/ night shifts that childcare won’t cover.
There are no factories anymore to speak of, and the ones there are youd need a car to get to and from, as public transport is non existent or unreliable even in big cities. For many care jobs you also need a car.
When I was young I lived in a very deprived area, but I’d sometimes get temp work in factories. The agency would bus us there from the city centre office. I doubt that still exists.
Hospitality, you will need to work every Saturday and Sunday and fruit and veg picking, again you need a car.
When my husband came here as a young man he worked in hotels,so had live- in accommodation. He nearly always got jobs where he’d have some kind of basic accommodation- he could do this as he was young, single with no family.
I knew Poles who came as young people and lived in shared houses, sharing rooms to save money. You can do that when it’s temporary and you are sending plenty of money home for your future.
Things like nursing, which was a key working class profession, used to have a bursary. Now you pay to study.
Working conditions and infrastructure are MASSIVE obstacles to the working class. Public transport is not some nice to have add on, it’s essential for workers to be able to work.
In the past 25 years I’ve seen zero hours contracts, total decimation in infrastructure, deciline in manufacturing and total stalling of social mobility. You are at the bottom, there are multiple mechanisms in place keeping you there.
Im so sick of middle class people who have never faced any of these obstacles sneering at the working class for “ not wanting to get their hands dirty” .
Yes, we should have some immigration, no I’m not a Brexiteer, but we need to look at this issue as a whole picture, not trot out soundbites thinking they make you sound liberal and tolerant.
Working class people are always the ones suffering when those at the top decide what’s best for the economy.

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The UK population has increased by approximately 11.1 million people since September 2000, from an estimated 58.9 million to 70 million by September 2025. This significant growth of nearly 19% over the last 25 years is driven primarily by net international migration, particularly following the 2004 EU expansion.

Not sure why you or anyone is seeing this is a bad thing - see immigrants as a positive and this is positive surely? But I guess that depends on your personal view of immigrants.

Question: 5 generations back, are you historically all pure white English? With amazingly flourishing family tree or you are half of this and that, quarter of them and them and your husband also, but you just create one of these threads for the sake of mumsnetting on a free Saturday. Be honest

If you grew up in the outskirts of a city and have lived for more than a few decades you will have seen a dramatic increase in housing intensity.
It is unsustainable if you also want land for food production, leisure and wildlife.
Having access to outside space, especially green space is known to be good for mental health and if you were stuck in a high rise during lock down you may be more aware of that.
There will be painful competition for resources if population expansion continues within countries or worldwide, some people are feeling it now, it will get worse. You're lucky if it hasn't happened to you yet.

If you see it coming you have a chance to avoid the crisis (by good government😶) , or prep for it -there's a board for that. Otherwise you're cramming the A-level syllabus the night before the exam - good luck.

Your 11 million figure for net migration is definitely wrong; the increase in population is not solely due to migration. People are living longer. The ONS only publishes stats on net migration back to 2012 using the current method - that has been referenced up thread - and totals 4.4million. As net migration pre 2012 bumped around the 200,000 mark, you can't get to 11 million immigrants.

It is very hard to say we are overpopulated when less than 10% of the country is developed. The fact that we haven't made development easy (and stopped building council houses) is a big problem, but there's plenty of space and we are big enough and clever enough to do it wisely if we so choose.

Well I’m not even 1 % genetically English but what’s that got to do with it?? It’s not about race! It’s about the speed and magnitude of change and the impact on us because of that.

I agree; a lot of the people out of work on benefits now, in a previous life, would’ve been coal miners or worked in factories (MIL worked in a factory and said the work was easy to get, flexible hours etc when she had small children she often did nights).

We can either support our own population into employment or continue to keep them on benefits while upping immigration.

Even in your own post you state the increase in 9 years from 2012 to 2021 was 2.5m. Even a simple extrapolation of that period support net immigration over the period from 2000 to 2025 would near to 6m, and we know there was a spike in 2022/2023.

Where is the big fat lie? Other than you trying obfuscate by the wrong periods of time.

Does the fact that you have misinterpreted the data by 100% change you view? Or is view set regardless of the data?

I’m not sure op is particularly smart

She’s made up a number from various sources and data she doesn’t quite understand

And then asked people to prove it’s wrong.

its like me saying ‘there were 12,000 horses born without a tail in the last 5 years, if you disagree then prove me wrong with a stat.’

As I say, not the….

Starr having enough of these threads. We are here, your men fall head over heels for us, they don't divorce us, suck it English women, especially the racists.

Love an ironic post.

Ballerina never back after the links that validate the scale is in the right ball if not completely correctly label. If you she so shocked that understanding was that she has gone to sign up for Reform.