11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

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Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

You’d like the population to keep increasing? So in a few decades where would it be roughly?

You don’t need to add it up! Do you know how to read a graph? Just look at it and you will see that 11m is roughly accurate.

Oh, and the link to the population figures was posted up thread.

Still waiting for your link :)

Tell me you voted for brexiteers without telling me you voted for Brexit. Good luck trying to get any country to agree with the uk a Dublin-style return agreement when we have nothing in return to offer. oh yes, we hold all tbe cards right? Hahahahahahaha.

…and on it goes forever until we are like Tokyo and everyone wonders why we have relentless poor health from air pollution and even worse mental health from a lack of access to nature and living like hamsters in cages.

I agree. As a part of showing cogency and transparency about how things are being managed.

Going back to your comments about land in the UK and feeding the population - during the second world war Churchill managed to completely restructure food production so that we didn't starve during the Nazi blockades - we now have warmongers around the world calling for ww3, the government also analysing with transparency how we could do such a thing now would be jolly good idea.

No point spending all our money on building "bio defence labs" if we are all going to starve.

You’ve posted a zero context graph.

Why can’t you link to it?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/283287/net-migration-figures-of-the-united-kingdom-y-on-y/

Maybe this format is easier for people to digest.

London is officially a forest.

seriously, the s***e coming out of people’s mouth is astonishing. And these people get to vote?! It’s like giving a toddler a gun.

If I was in charge I would have a 3 point plan.

1. Aiming for net migration in the tens of thousands - zero is unrealistic at present but only accepting migration for the purposes of critical jobs that cannot be filled locally.
2. Dramatic curbing of the welfare state to force people back to work.
3. Only approving building projects of flats - proper large 3/4 bedroom flats with large balconies and adequate storage, with strict regulation over size and sustainability. I have been searching for a flat like this for years - they don’t exist in the UK, only mainland Europe.

Can you clarify how what I’ve said is unlikely if current projections continue or even rise?

Your posts aren’t great tbf

Tokyo is a poor example as they are about to see a population collapse due to an lower birthrate than ours, very long-lived people and lack of strong immigration routes.

Where’s your link @nomas ?

I’d love to see your evidence that we’ve only had 2.5 million net migration in 25 years…

Everyone’s acting like the worst thing that could happen is not having a big enough population to fulfil our overspending, when actually there are a million scenarios far worse than this. We have a duty to put this right for future generations, not hand them a Ponzi scheme which has ruined the country.

Your posting style is quite antagonistic, but to answer - no I didn't vote for Brexit, partly because we held no cards, as you say, but given what we know now, factors such as out of control increase in living costs, and the fact that we now know that there was a lot of background influence in the EU from economically powerful groups, and that they appear to be trying to convince us that armed conflict is the way forward, which will inevitably lead to ww3, which would mean our young people will be decimated and the rest of us starve, apart from things like negotiating similar terms re immigrants which as you say is somewhat unlikely (obviously, as economically powerful groups are encouraging immigration to the UK and coincidentally are the same groups which want ww3), I am not sure what the EU has to offer any of us right now? Perhaps when you have stopped laughing you could elucidate us. If I have misunderstood anything, please say. (When you have your laughter under control)

That is if you include micro states.

I wonder who is selling them that dream? Is it the government? I work in the NHS & we had an international recruitment drive a few years ago . The promo videos I saw did make our area seem much more desirable than it really is!

In the past immigrants integrated; now many bring their repulsive misogynistic anti semitic views with them.
It’s terrifying.

AI Overview

The UK population has increased by approximately 11.1 million people since September 2000, from an estimated 58.9 million to 70 million by September 2025. This significant growth of nearly 19% over the last 25 years is driven primarily by net international migration, particularly following the 2004 EU expansion.

Where are you getting 11 million from OP? I’m getting roughly 7.1 million based on the figures here: www.statista.com/statistics/283287/net-migration-figures-of-the-united-kingdom-y-on-y/

I think first step would be to a proper full analysis of where money is going now. The needy in the country actually need more welfare support right now not less. Looking after the genuine needy is a hallmark of a civilised society. But we do need to analyse exactly where public money is going. Millions in taxpayer money are going on public private partnerships which operate as a blank cheque, some things do work better done by public bodies and construction and hospitals are probably two of them, as long as public bodies can recruit good staff. But at the same time going back to your comment about getting people to work, we need to analyse the population, and look at specific areas which are going wrong and think of solutions for those specific areas. Things like education and mental health affect workers and at the moment we are completely panning in those areas.

I like your idea of decent flats - but at the moment again home building and home ownership is dominated by corporate partners which make a killing and this is not in the public's best interest if homes are substandard and rents too high, and so joined up thinking would be needed about that - need to check that any solutions we come up will actually work as intended.

It is a huge issue though. The state pension is by far the benefit that costs the taxpayer the most money. If you have double the number of pensioners to working people paying in, then taxes are going to have to skyrocket to accomodate. Either that or the state pension is dropped entirely or raised to such a high number that most will never recieve it. Not to mention the enormous burden of an aging population on the NHS without young people to fill the positions as doctors and nurses. Care homes currently staffed mostly by immigrants will be on their knees. I don't think we can even fathom just how bad things can get - it's not that the population is larger, it's that the majority will be old, not paying taxes and draining public services.

You do realise that a huge number of people on benefits are IN work!! I have seen estimates of about 40% of people on Universal credit benefit are in work. A better plan would be to make employers pay their employees a living wage!

Shocking that this was ever allowed!

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