11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

[Uggbootsforever]

Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

This is not true.

And you think that would improve things for the next generations? How so?

It doesn’t give a figure for net migration in the last 25 years.

Would you like to directly quote the part that says net migration is only 2.5 million since 2000? 😂

How could this possibly be true if net migration for 2022 and 2023 ALONE was over 800,000?

I said the figure of 2.5m was up to 2023.

I will find a link for up to 2025, probably 3 million +.

Where is your link for the 11 million figure?

You need to be skeptical of the research around immigration as there are funding streams which work their way back to people who are giving billions towards activism to encourage immigration and there is sometimes a link to what appears to be independent "research" groups. This in itself is a worry - when immigration is being so badly thought out, why are there people donating billions to add problems, before we have digested current problems? The fact that around 70 percent agree with your AIBU here and 30 percent don't and the sort of comments you are getting are also relevant when working out what the problem is.

What we need is a proper transparent objective analysis from the government, and transparency over who is donating to pro immigration and why. It just feels like there is something a bit worrying about the lack of cogency and lack of transparency.

I agree with you, this is nothing to do with being anti immigration. I am an immigrant in the EU - working, paying taxes. It is to do with lack of cogency.

2.5m net migration since 2000?

It’s higher than that

You can have that opinion.

The population increase of 10,000,000+ since 2000 will be an underestimate as it does not count those here illegally.

The British people did not vote for this. It has been imposed on them.

I’ve just asked MS Copilot again. The first time I asked, it gave me a figure of 7.3 million. The second time I asked it has given me a range of between 6-7 million; higher than the figure of 2.5 million you have given in your post above. Copilot has used Migration Observatory and .GOV.UK as its information source. I checked out your link and couldn’t see where you got your figure of 2.5 million from?

We need even more. The population is about to sharply nosedive as pensioners die out and young people stop breeding. At that point we'll be crying out for a second Windrush but it'll be too lare.

I think in itself it’s very peculiar we can’t easily access a clear figure re immigration figures in the last decade, 2 decades, 3 decades. It’s something you assume would be public information as standard - so why not?

No, we really don’t.

Posted above, by me and another poster.

Awaiting your ‘probably 3 million in 25 years even though it was over half that in two of those years alone’ link eagerly!

Oh, and STOP trying to discredit others when you yourself are peddling misinformation as if it’s true.

I’ve thought about this too!

So you are saying that we (the UK) need to put in place terms which are equivalent to the Dublin agreement? Sounds sensible.

[I don't think you should refer to someone you don't know as sweetie though]

Given we have had a minimim of net migration of 100,000 per year since 1990, your figure isn’t even possible.

And then as those people age?

It is also hard to believe when you live in the countryside - live in a village, currently surrounded by countryside - in our 'local plan' is the proposal to build 300 new houses on fields... The exact same thing is happening in pretty much every village in our county.

Farage and his Brexit Party claimed that all of the UK's problems were caused by the evil, unelected EU - and that as soon as the UK left everything would be wonderful. Turned out he was talking utter shite and not only has leaving the EU cost the country and estimated £100bn a year (that's one hundred thousand million pounds a year) but it also took the UK out of the Dublin Agreement; the Agreement that enabled the UK to return asylum seekers to other countries.

Now Farage has had to find another group to scapegoat, so his focus has turned towards "immigrants" who are now all suddenly to blame for the UK's ills. Note, he doesn't mean all immigrants as he quite likes some immigrants - such as the first Mrs Farage, or the second Mrs Farage, or his latest squeeze (the French waitress who owns the £800k house in Clacton that he falsely claimed to have purchased).

If he somehow does manage to fool 30% of the electorate and end up being elected, he'll very quickly need to find another group to blame as the UK economy tanks, so he'll turn his attention to the people he will define as the "scroungers" who will see their benefits cut, their economic safety net removed and the public services on which they depend either de-funded and trashed or sold off to the highest bidders.

All of which is a smokescreen - a distraction from the mismanagement that all of the major parties have been guilty of over the last 50 years. Lack of investment in public services; vital utilities and infrastructure sold off to foreign investors who have milked the customers while failing to invest; a myopic belief that the free market will provide (it won't - it only provides what is most profitable, not what is most necessary).

Yes, the language around the data is also v biased. Eg ‘long-term immigration is falling’ which it clearly isn’t.

And long-term immigration doesn’t mean what you think it does, either.

And what happens when all these new people get older and become pensioners? Bring in even more?

You posted a random table without a link, not a link showing 11m.

You didn’t even bother to add it up.

well by that point there would ideally be solid immigration routes so even more young people can come over and help the ecomony

No, it’s probably more. The official figures don’t include illegal immigrants. They don’t include the hundreds of thousands of people who overstay their students visas, or come here as students and then disappear without even completing the course.

Actually Johnson made an increase in immigration an inevitable consequence of his policies for global Britain post Brexit. He didn’t hide it. So you could say people did vote for it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/politics-explained/immigration-boris-johnson-conservative-migration-b2655572.html

https://unherd.com/newsroom/boris-johnson-is-still-rewriting-his-immigration-record/

This isn’t correct, firstly the returns were minuscule and we took more than returned.

Secondly countries still in the EU can’t return people ‘no questions asked’ between each other. If they could the first point of entry would have all the returns from Germany, ROI etc