11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

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Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

It’s hard to find one set of data that clearly shows this, but here’s a graph showing total immigration, emigration and net migration since 2000 (and before), so you can see this figure is fairly accurate.

Yes, because before Brexit we could return ‘small boats’ back to France. Now we can’t. They didn’t tell brexiteers this. Actually, tbe small boats crisis is due to brexiteers. Oh the irony.

What’s the shocking part? That post or another one.

Do you think massive cuts to the public services budget have nothing at all to do with this shitshow? If you do, you are very naive.

Yes and the border controls are there. We have controlled immigration and the numbers are coming down.

No, the population has increased by est 10,395,300, driven primarily by immigration. The projection is that we will hit 70m in 2025.

Mid-year population estimate 2000 - 58,886,100

Mid-year population estimate 2024 - 69,281,400

Population growth resulted mostly from net international migration.

To be fair, you could tell the Bexiteers that, but as I recall they only heard what they wanted to hear.

Billions taken out of the economy by Brexit and the people who wanted it now obsessing about immigration instead. Not content with all the harm they've already caused they want to elect a Reform government to do all the same damage Trump is now doing to the US.

What a shame all the people who hate our country can't just leave and we could replace them with immigrants. They'd be a damn sight more useful.

Not this crap again. Net migration was 2.5 million, not 11 million.

You keep popping up with different names quoting the fake 11 million statistic.

What shitshow? If our public services are still dire after record immigration, doesn’t that show immigration isn’t a silver bullet?

Does anybody know what the Dublin agreement is? I bet not. Well go on a read it.

brexit and farage caused the small boats crisis. And gammons are all falling for it. I’m laughing so hard, my sides hurt.

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/people-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/

Well going by the last three years, I’m yet to be convinced.

What a shame all the people who hate our country can't just leave and we could replace them with immigrants. They'd be a damn sight more useful.

Amen @HPFA

Maybe we could pay them £2,000 relocation fee to piss off.

Italy, Spain, and Greece experienced more unauthorised arrivals by sea than the UK in 2024.

When did they leave the EU?

No wonder so many fools are gobbling up Reform's bile, when so many can't even begin to comprehend or analyse statistics.

This, x100, with alarm bells on.

I think there should be some basic IQ, comprehension & maths tests before people are allowed to vote

Do you have a link for the 2.5 million statistic please? If OP has to provide one then so do you.

Did you look at the data posted above?

Why don’t you believe it?

On the raw question, I would like total UK population to stabilise at about 20-35 million. And global humanity count to stabilise below 4 billion.

Won't happen in my or my children's lifetime even if every single immigrant is stopped from entering UK forever more. "Limiting immigration" isn't a solution.

If you do want to limit immigration anyway, doing things to improve quality of life where people are leaving from would be the optimal strategy. Make Afghanistan, Albania, Syria wherever a much nicer place to live. This used to be an objective of foreign aid. Fix the problems there so the people there now don't come here and bring their problems with them.

Then it became fashionable not to bother to send foreign aid and budgets were sharply cut. As a result, more people will leave those difficult places to try to live somewhere nicer, like the UK. This is what people in democratic countries voted for, they voted to increase immigration to high income countries. <shrug>

I think that’s very ambitious figure - I think 40 million would be realistic but achievable, in that it gives us a buffer in terms of food production and would mean no further house building while not having to engage in things like mass deportation which I find unethical.

But yes a huge decrease is needed, somehow. I would be interested to see how quickly this would happen if we got immigration to net zero given they generally follow the ‘local’ birth rate.

Theyre not ‘coming down’.

They were abnormally high in 2022 and 2023 (net migration c800k) and in 2024 the figures were half that (c430k).

But if you look at the trend on this graph it isn’t generally ‘coming down’. 2024’s 430k net migration was still miles higher than the figures pre-2022.

That is because indigenous population is now a minority group in most of London and have been displaced by immigrants.

Hmmm I think you completely missed the point I was making. Shitshow = current state of public services. Which is primarily due to huge budget cuts by our last government, and not due to the population increase (which happens everywhere and is inevitable).

Edited to add: any normal government would increase funding due to projected population growth (no matter by which means). But the tories done the exact opposite.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/longterminternationalmigrationprovisional/latest?utm_source=chatgpt.com

My statistic is for up to 2023. But even if you add in the last two years, it’s nowhere near 11 million

Sweetie, here is the difference:

the Dublin agreement is between EU countries. It means that they can be returned to the previous EU country they came from. Small boats came to the uk from France, so they could automatically be returned to France. No questions asked.

spain and Greece border Africa, people arrive there directly from an non-eu country, so it is a preferred route because there no other EU country to return them to. The uk is no longer part of the eu so we can’t return them back to France where they came from.

if you look at the graph for the uk, small boats started rising straight after Brexit be After Brexit made it harder for us to send them back to France.

do you understand the implications of Brexit better now?

This literally does not show this!

What do you think it shows?