11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

[Uggbootsforever]

Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

I didn't make any suggestions. I'm just pointing out to OP that the thread is 100% about immigration, despite the backtracking.

How long do you think it takes to actually build a railway or build roads? Years. The council here have just completed creating a small roundabout on a busy road. 5 years after starting it. And railway companies take months just to repair a line. God only knows how long it will take them to build an entire line or create a road. I think we’re probably talking decades.

Come on @Uggbootsforever this can't be right. You have a right to be concerned about how many people come across to the UK and claim asylum, and want to be put up in hotels, and cost the taxpayer money, whilst having values that don't align with our own one single iota.

But the population of the UK has increased by 10 million since the year 2000 in total, so how on earth can there be 11 million immigrants? Quite a number of the 10 million would not be immigrants, so it's very likely to be nowhere near 10 or 11 million.

I agree that the UK cannot keep wilfully taking more people in and that we have our own issues, and poor, and vulnerable people who need to be taken care of... And the housing list runs into millions of people waiting for social housing, but you've ruined your argument by quoting clearly incorrect figures.

I haven't seen you quote a direct link to your 11 million immigrants claim that you say you saw on the ONS website. That's probably because it's not there. Because that figure cannot be correct.

It's pointless having the argument about figures. The British population has increased by over 10 million in the past 25 years. This is a fact.

One school of thought is saying: it is what it is, refugees are running away from something, e.g. war, instability, lack of resources.

Another school of thought is saying: if we keep letting people into Britain, then we're going to run out of resources ourselves.

This is made more complicated by various grifters weaponising the issue and spreading misinformation on both sides of the argument, e.g. refusing to accept interference in other countries combined with climate change has created desperate conditions, therefore, millions of refugees, and refusing to accept that many British people are really struggling themselves even though they're working hard and doing their level best to provide. Put simply, both sets of 'victims' of the current system are blaming the other lot for their problems.

This is working as intended. Get the buggers to fight amongst themselves so they don't make any demands of us.

You don't like some migrant staying in a 4 star hotel while claiming asylum, tax the rich and make foreign aid work.

Here's some statistics for you, in 2000 corporation tax was 30%, by 2017 it had been slashed to 19%. In 2000 net migration was 223,000, by 2022 it was 448,000. You do the math.

the birth rate has been falling, yes people are living longer but a sizable proportion will be immigration

Wait till you find just how many of us are descended from immigrants

It's simply too many. End off. Like a party in a small semi and hundreds of uninvited folk arrive. Trouble.

Agree a conversation needs to be had without fear of being accused of racism. Apparently in the years 1980-2000 approx 1.65m people immigrated to the UK; and since 2000 it is 11.4m (as OP mentions, and per Oxfords Immigration observatory). I’m afraid this is unsustainable.

I am the adopted grandaughter of asylum seekers who were granted leave to stay in the late 70s, after the fall of the Shah (legal immigrants as my grandfather was stationed at the Iranian embassy at the time), so for me this discussion is not about race. It’s about affordability: funding the NHS, schools, falling academic standards in over populated classrooms, underfunded universities relying on overseas students to keep them afloat because the Govt just doesn’t have any more money, it’s the predicted that £15bn that is being spent on current immigrants in 2025/26 (up from 4.5bn in 2019 acc to BBC reports and ONS stats), money that should be going into the NHS and education.

If we are having to look at raising taxes, how we spend government money and trying to work out whether we can afford to underwrite state pensions and the benefit system or provide more social housing, we have to do so from a position of ‘can we actually afford this’? Surely the government’s priority should be its actual citizens. Being able to support and help non-citizens has to be a secondary objective based on whether we have the resources left to help.

I honestly don’t think that’s the case. Go on any post on immigration on here and the figures wildly differ depending on who is posting. People really aren’t going to see one post and make decisions based on that. I never take figures from MN. It’s hardly a reliable source is it?

You understand the government publish all these numbers. 16m people have migrated to the UK since 2000.

@CatchingtheCat it will take some years to adjust, plus it is very regional. Overall it means is if you are in a poorer region you are more likely to die sooner. The gap is 3 years between the South East and North East.

Oh ok just going to make a post about the 44 million immigrants that have moved here since 2015 brb

You’re really not helping yourself.

Easily, eh? Really?

Christ on a bike. This is so daft I am actually lost for words.

Immigration accounted for a significant majority, and increasingly a near-total, of the UK's population increase since 2000; in 2020-21, net migration directly or indirectly contributed over four-fifths of the eight million population growth. By mid-2024, international migration was responsible for almost 100% of the UK's population growth because natural increase (births minus deaths) became negative.

That’s the overview. If people want to go back to pre 2020 and work it out, they can.

OP: You can expect the UK population to rise even more when the two-child benefit cap for UK citizens is removed.

Exactly. If the figures aren’t true, then people will see that by doing their own research. It’s really nothing to get upset about.

The cap made negligible difference to the number of children born. Why do you think the reverse will cause a significant change?

According the ONS

10.3m increase in population from 2000-2025
16m people moved to the uk in that period.
8m left the uk in that period.
This leave 2.3m to a result of increased life expectancy offsetting birth rates .

Entitlement to free elective NHS care is being 'ordinarily resident' in the country. How long it takes to establish this is not clear - some say it's approx 6 months. If a Briton leaves the country to live abroad they cannot just return after years and get free non-emergency care based on nationality and previous paying in. Entitlement to free NHS care has never been attached to paying tax and NI - that was the whole point of setting up the NHS.

British people love free money.

It is important in any culture that incomers are integrated into the existing culture. In the year to June 2023 the net migration figures of people coming to the UK was just under 1 million, in the year to June 24 it was around 3/4 of a million that is an increase in population the size of Manchester in the space of 2 years. Many will go on to have children and increase the population further.

This number of people cannot be dealt with. If you don’t think this is an issue you’re either so ideologically driven you ignore even the most basic common sense or you’re just down right ignorant

I'll save you the trouble 8m people have left. I really you need to learn how to look at the ONS website. None of this is a secret.

If you honestly think this post is detrimental due to some figures quoted which you don’t agree with, then report to MN. I doubt they’ll delete the post, because if they did that based on accuracy, then at least 50% of posts currently on MN would be deleted. You’ve challenged the figures, as have others, as is your right, so people have a view of both sets.