11 million immigrants since 2000. When I

[Uggbootsforever]

Sorry, it’s another immigration one.

I always see immigration discussed in terms of race, religion, who may or may not be a good fit for the UK, whether it’s by small boats - to be honest, this is not the biggest worry for me.

The biggest worry is the sheer increase in our population and how many people this country can reasonably accommodate. We are now 8th in Europe for population density - only behind Belgium and the Netherlands, and a handful of places like Vatican City and the Channel Islands. At present we have net migration of around 500,000 a year.

I’m worried that the key issues of overpopulation are being overlooked to make this conversation all about race. What about our pollution levels, wildlife habitats, flood risk, food security, infrastructure? Will this eventually be a polluted city state country? It seems to be heading that way.

Posters always say we need immigration, but we have already welcome 11 million since 2000. If that still isn’t enough; what is? Or do we just keep going?

I mean yeah with the right people in charge obvs. As a country we just lack a bit of ambition. Would rather moan about foreigners than try and make actual change

The population increased by 750,000 last year alone according to the ONS, 98% of this was down to immigration, that’s a city the size of Leeds. In the same time only 125,000 new homes were built. How many new hospitals, GPs etc are needed to accommodate this? We don’t have the money to invest in infrastructure, everything we do seems to take way longer and costs much more than budgeted. Building costs are through the roof. It’s no wonder that in my area north west where homes are relatively cheap to buy compared to the rest of the country, house prices are up 30% since 2020 and you can only rent a room in a HMO for the price it was to rent an entire home then. To rent a home on my street costs £1000 more per month than my mortgage.

PP are correct about UK trained doctors - I became aware of it from a thread on here started by a poster whose DS was unable to find a post in the summer. There has been massive political pressure on Wes Streeting to address this, as relatively inexperienced UK trained doctors are competing for jobs with very experienced international doctors who are willing to take a demotion in seniority to secure a job here.

See www.bma.org.uk/news-and-opinion/major-survey-shows-scale-of-doctor-unemployment-crisis

about 15yrs ago there was at that time a statistic of this country only producing 25% of our food needs. (wish i could remember where it came from but it’s poss in v elderly attic stored pc!?)
but your point on us not being able to support the population has been known about for at least that long!
Still, huge areas of previously productive farmland (yep fields over the last 2yrs I can see from my own kitchen ☹️ & despite locals massively objecting) is being turned into housing, yeh & no schools infrastructure etc. either 🙄.
Perhaps all politicians should farmers?

Do you think population can keep going up as long as we build stuff?

I just don't know what to say to this 🤯

Its lucidicous lets compare ballerina figures with ONS.

People coming to the uk ONS 16m, Ballerina - can't believe its 11m
People leaving the uk - ONS 8m, Ballerina 44m

Ballerina thinks that migration has contributed a reduction in population of at 33m, that 50% of the population of the UK

I’ve just asked ChatGPT to give me a total figure for net migration to the UK since 2000, and it’s given me a figure of 7.3 million. Not as high as the figure in the OP’s OP, but still too high in my opinion, and the levels in the last couple of years have been absolutely ridiculous and are just not sustainable, no matter how you try to spin it.

Take the last 3 years for example. And these are net figures. 487,000 in 2022, 906,000 in 2023 and 431,000 in 2024.

I don’t understand why certain posters are so keen to shut down any debate. Plenty of people are concerned about this issue, and for perfectly valid reasons.

Firstly, the English ethnicity was one of the most stable in the world, genetically speaking. Basically we had virtually zero immigration for the last 1000 years up to the 1960s.

Secondly, this is not an argument for unfettered immigration. I can't just walk into the US on the basis that they're all immigrants anyway.

Obviously immigration is far too high for our infrastruccture and our services at the moment, it marginally increases our GDP because more people do more stuff, but it is a bit like a never ending ponzi scheme that is tetering on the brink of bankruptcy.

https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1972000617527935156

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/

@BallerinaRadio please can explain where numbers are coming from given that everything I have posted is for the National Office of Statistics?

What do you want to do about your concerns?

You can't change past numbers, immigration is falling and predicted to fall further.

What else do you want to happen?

Haven't RTFT but I do hope someone else has already pointed out to OP that in the same period from 2000, around 5.2 million people emigrated from the UK to live abroad. Let's hope the countries they moved to are far more welcoming of immigrants than we currently are.

People aren’t living longer

We sure live in a post truth society!

@Uggbootsforever "Did you know each person requires 1 acre to sustain their diet, and we now have more people than acres? So if we couldn’t import food tomorrow, we would probably starve (or a lot of us would). Importing food is disastrous for the environment, and ‘seeing plenty of green from an aeroplane’ is wildly different from having enough land to actually sustain a population."

Did you know that the UK has not been self-sustaining with regard to food for at least the last 200 years? This became most noticable during WW2 when it became very difficult to import food due to ships being attacked and the result was that food had to be officially rationed. Rationing actually continued until 1954 - long after the war had ended.

Today food is still rationed, but now instead of it being rationed using coupons and a scheme intended to ensure that everyone at least got the bare minimum requirement, today in the UK food is rationed by price.

One is my nephew, who is a UK trained and qualified doctor but has been unable to secure specialty training and is now in Australia (where they have unsurprisingly welcomed him with open arms). He did not want to leave but it would appear that his own country doesn’t value him or his skills and experience in quite the same way.

Lost quote so re-posted further down thread

@JaneEyre40 Your laughable comment about public services, I'll be honest things seemed to be run a lot better before mass immigration - hth :)

Why are you so invested in what I think should be done about it?

Interesting. Thanks for posting this. I wasn’t aware of it.

I still think the problem isn’t so much oversea doctors and nurses, but the way our governments have handled training of doctors and nurses. I’m surprised that home grown doctors and nurses didn’t already have priority for jobs and training places! And we all know they’ve not been training enough doctors for years!

The problem is ignorance. It is actually immigrants who pay the bulk of tax revenues. But yes, let’s kick them out. Meanwhile, lazy brits who have never worked wave union flags. Brilliant.

You’re not sorry at all. You just want another immigration scaremongering, shit stirring thread.
love,
an immigrant (white, educated, LTR, NOT taking your job - unless you speak Danish, tax paying etc. The kind “you don’t mind” 🙄🙄 But so fucking SICK of the immigrant bashing threads)

But nobody is blaming individual migrants, or saying they’re part of some grand plan to pull the rug from under the feet of locally trained doctors. I feel zero malice or grievance toward any migrant - they’re just doing what the rest of us are doing, making the best life choices for themselves at the time.

Depends when you are comparing to doesn't it?