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Please no pro Palestine marches tomorrow

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NototerrorismIntheUK · 03/10/2025 15:15

The police and others have called out in the hope that there will be no pro Palestine marches tomorrow. They are stretched and say it will divert resources from trying to protect the Jewish people following the terrorist attack yesterday.

I agree. No march tomorrow AIBU?

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Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 21:53

Whatamidoinhere · 03/10/2025 21:48

The protests are not “frightening”! And I fear you’re victim blaming now. If you were stuck under daily torment of bombs and hunger, surely the least you’d need is someone to speak out for your rights. Marches ask for a cease fire so children stop being coldly murdered every single day. There’s no “fright” in asking for basic rights.

Ask the Jewish communities in London if they are frightened and intimidated. Who are you to speak on their behalf? If you’re Jewish and want to go about your normal business in London on a Saturday afternoon, and some idiot is flying a flag in their face with inappropriate banners and chants, then my guess is they’re going to be frightened..

N4ish · 03/10/2025 21:55

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 21:53

Ask the Jewish communities in London if they are frightened and intimidated. Who are you to speak on their behalf? If you’re Jewish and want to go about your normal business in London on a Saturday afternoon, and some idiot is flying a flag in their face with inappropriate banners and chants, then my guess is they’re going to be frightened..

Are you aware that many Jewish groups join these protests month after month to say Israel’s actions are not in their name?

Kendodd · 03/10/2025 21:56

Even without the attack yesterday, I think it's time for the pro Palestinian marches to stop. Our government has recognised Palestinian as a state and I believe (?) stopped selling arms to Israel that are used in Gaza.
With the attacks yesterday, people really should have a bit of sensitivity and not go. I predict the demos will be bigger tomorrow though.

GiraffesAtThePark · 03/10/2025 21:56

The PP who brought up the issue of conflating Jewish people with the state of Israel is right. We shouldn’t do that either way. That’s why I don’t see an issue with protesting the actions in Gaza. It protesting the actions of a government.

Justagirl95 · 03/10/2025 21:57

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 21:49

This post is about trying to appeal to people to be decent human beings and postpone this weekends marches to allow the Jewish communities some respite after yesterdays atrocities. But posters are gleefully spouting that of course their right to protest overrides any empathy they should have. This thread isn’t about genocide or Gaza, however much the terrorist sympathisers on here try to always make it about that on every single thread. So you need to look at the title of the thread. It’s not about supporting genocide….

Why can people not be empathetic towards an abhorrent terrorist attack whilst also disagreeing with genocide and protesting?

DrPrunesqualer · 03/10/2025 21:57

Whatamidoinhere · 03/10/2025 21:53

Terrorist sympathisers? Wow.

I know

no understanding or empathy for the cause

ShazMidlands · 03/10/2025 21:58

1 thing I don't understand. Hundreds of thousands of muslims have lost their lives in Yemen due to bombardment carried out by Saudi Arabia but there are no marches. There have been countless thousands of murdered people in Nigeria including women and children yet no marches. I stand with the people of Palestine but there does seem to be selective outrage when Jewish people are involved, yet when it is other demographics nothing seems to be said. In Sudan over 300 thousand people have been murdered yet I have not seen any marches.

I have thought about it and decided not to attend any pro Palestine marches this weekend, my family are attending and after asking several of them why, have decided I don't wish to go.

DrPrunesqualer · 03/10/2025 21:59

Kendodd · 03/10/2025 21:56

Even without the attack yesterday, I think it's time for the pro Palestinian marches to stop. Our government has recognised Palestinian as a state and I believe (?) stopped selling arms to Israel that are used in Gaza.
With the attacks yesterday, people really should have a bit of sensitivity and not go. I predict the demos will be bigger tomorrow though.

The genocide is ongoing
Israel are dismantling Gaza and killing innocent people

of course this isn’t the time to stop

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 22:00

pumpkinscake · 03/10/2025 21:52

It is possible to condemn the attack on the synagogue, and to condemnn genocide by Israel. I see no conflict.

The conflict is that those condemning the the deaths in Gaza are not willing to acknowledge that it might be a good and decent thing to postpone tomorrows protests to allow the Jewish community to have some respite from the weekly onslaught of the protests following a day of fear.

Tryingtodobetter82 · 03/10/2025 22:02

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 03/10/2025 21:47

It’s remarkable how selective outrage can be. Tens of thousands of civilians (over 20,000 children) have been killed in Gaza, yet all the focus seems to be on Hamas, as if Israel’s bombardment and starvation tactics don’t exist. Distinction between combatants and civilians, and proportionality of force, aren’t optional under international law- they’re requirements.

Comparisons to Dresden or other conflicts don’t change what’s happening now: hospitals have been hit, civilians deliberately deprived of food and water, and children are dying at an appalling rate. Pointing this out isn’t antisemitic, it’s simply recognising reality.

Protests in the UK aren’t “performative”, they’re a response to real people suffering right now. Concern for Gaza doesn’t mean you can’t care about other conflicts too, but dismissing it on the grounds of “other atrocities exist” is a pretty flimsy argument.

If your outrage were really about civilian deaths, you would be just as vocal about the fact Hamas embeds itself in hospitals, schools and residential areas precisely to maximise civilian casualties and weaponise images of dead children. Israel is fighting a terror group that hides behind the very population you claim to care about, and no country on earth would tolerate thousands of its citizens being slaughtered and kidnapped without responding. International law also requires combatants not to use civilians as shields, something Hamas does openly. Starvation and devastation are not Israeli objectives, they are the predictable outcome of Hamas starting a war and refusing to surrender while operating from civilian infrastructure. And protesting one conflict while ignoring worse ones is selective by definition!

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 22:02

DrPrunesqualer · 03/10/2025 21:59

The genocide is ongoing
Israel are dismantling Gaza and killing innocent people

of course this isn’t the time to stop

But if the UK have now called for recognition of a Palestinian state, weapons not being sold and a peace deal being discussed as we speak, what exactly do the people on the marches want? Don’t look back, look forward.

HaimishaPickle · 03/10/2025 22:03

Pumpkinatmidnight · 03/10/2025 20:50

I don't understand the link between marching against the targeted mass killings and enforced starvation of one group of people is connected to one mad and sick man's attack on another group? There was an equally horrific attack at a church in the US last week with four worshippers murdered, and it was (rightly) framed as a random act of violence. I don't protest as I find large crowds overwhelming, though I inwardly protest against all violence, hate and this hopeless polarisation: you are this therefore you're against that. It is not mutually exclusive. I think Israel's violent creation and persecution (enforced displacement and extermination) of an entire native population since (for three quarters of a century) that has done the most damage to Jewish communities globally. people are now more aware of what has consistently been happening. I have family who have denounced their Israeli nationalities, and if I had one I would like to think I would have done the same.

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. I think Israel's violent creation and persecution (enforced displacement and extermination) of an entire native population since (for three quarters of a century) that has done the most damage to Jewish communities globally.

You can't think of a single other event that's done more damage to Jewish communities globally? Ever?

JollyLilacBee · 03/10/2025 22:04

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 21:15

I have just about enough of this!
The support for Hamas on here is actually sickening. The worst of it being that the protesters themselves really do not seem to even understand this! It’s mind blowing to me.

I feel the same about the support for Israel, make me feel sick that people support the blatant murder of innocent children

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 22:04

Tryingtodobetter82 · 03/10/2025 22:02

If your outrage were really about civilian deaths, you would be just as vocal about the fact Hamas embeds itself in hospitals, schools and residential areas precisely to maximise civilian casualties and weaponise images of dead children. Israel is fighting a terror group that hides behind the very population you claim to care about, and no country on earth would tolerate thousands of its citizens being slaughtered and kidnapped without responding. International law also requires combatants not to use civilians as shields, something Hamas does openly. Starvation and devastation are not Israeli objectives, they are the predictable outcome of Hamas starting a war and refusing to surrender while operating from civilian infrastructure. And protesting one conflict while ignoring worse ones is selective by definition!

100% great post.

Liverpool2025 · 03/10/2025 22:05

Tryingtodobetter82 · 03/10/2025 21:52

Nobody is claiming 7 October came out of thin air, but there is no history lesson that turns the mass murder and kidnapping of civilians into something justified or inevitable. If the point you are making is that past events somehow explain away the butchering of families, then you are not providing context, you are excusing terrorism. Plenty of oppressed people around the world do not respond by massacring innocents, so blaming circumstances is just a way of avoiding the fact that Hamas chose violence. If you cannot say what happened on 7 October was wrong without immediately trying to defend it, then the problem is not the timeline, it is your moral compass.

And the murdering being done by IDF is similarly as wrong, yes?

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 22:05

JollyLilacBee · 03/10/2025 22:04

I feel the same about the support for Israel, make me feel sick that people support the blatant murder of innocent children

Instigated by Hamas…

GiraffesAtThePark · 03/10/2025 22:07

ShazMidlands · 03/10/2025 21:58

1 thing I don't understand. Hundreds of thousands of muslims have lost their lives in Yemen due to bombardment carried out by Saudi Arabia but there are no marches. There have been countless thousands of murdered people in Nigeria including women and children yet no marches. I stand with the people of Palestine but there does seem to be selective outrage when Jewish people are involved, yet when it is other demographics nothing seems to be said. In Sudan over 300 thousand people have been murdered yet I have not seen any marches.

I have thought about it and decided not to attend any pro Palestine marches this weekend, my family are attending and after asking several of them why, have decided I don't wish to go.

I see the point you’re making but I think it’s more about first world countries and expectations with them. Trump, for example, is no where near as authoritarian a leader as lots around the world but he gets lots of protests. Countries like Iran and some of the others mentioned just feel out of our influence. When they hang an abused women for defending herself against her husband it’s horrible but not surprising. If France did it, it’d be in the media and I’m sure there would be a lot more action and protests.
Maybe we should approach things differently but that’s a whole other big conversation.

DrPrunesqualer · 03/10/2025 22:07

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 22:00

The conflict is that those condemning the the deaths in Gaza are not willing to acknowledge that it might be a good and decent thing to postpone tomorrows protests to allow the Jewish community to have some respite from the weekly onslaught of the protests following a day of fear.

What’s happening in Gaza has nothing to do with British or any Jewish people

Making a link between these will breed hate and politicians should be ashamed of themselves for doing so

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 22:08

It’s just staggering to me that the protesters themselves can not see that they are supporting and enabling Hamas.

They are supporting and enabling every terrorist that injures and kills innocent British people.

They are supporting and enabling the continuation of the war.

Hamas must agree to the peace plan - that is the only way to save lives on both sides. Or we have an indefinite war or worse.

Liverpool2025 · 03/10/2025 22:08

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 22:05

Instigated by Hamas…

No.

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 22:09

Liverpool2025 · 03/10/2025 22:08

No.

Yes.

pumpkinscake · 03/10/2025 22:09

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 22:00

The conflict is that those condemning the the deaths in Gaza are not willing to acknowledge that it might be a good and decent thing to postpone tomorrows protests to allow the Jewish community to have some respite from the weekly onslaught of the protests following a day of fear.

I am not protesting against Judaism, I am protesting against Israel. When Israel stops the slaughter, I will stop the protests. Why would a UK Jewish person object to protests against genocide in Israel, unless they support it?

DrPrunesqualer · 03/10/2025 22:10

JollyLilacBee · 03/10/2025 22:04

I feel the same about the support for Israel, make me feel sick that people support the blatant murder of innocent children

Likewise
Im proud to be on the right side of history and against Israel’s genocide in Gaza

Aurielle · 03/10/2025 22:10

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 22:00

The conflict is that those condemning the the deaths in Gaza are not willing to acknowledge that it might be a good and decent thing to postpone tomorrows protests to allow the Jewish community to have some respite from the weekly onslaught of the protests following a day of fear.

These protests are not against Jewish people, they are against the actions of Israel. My Jewish friends have made it extremely clear that they do not want to be associated with the actions of Israel. Some are pro Israel, but absolutely against the way this war has been handled.

Any sane person is against the absolutely horrific ongoing murdering of children and babies. It has to be fought. As I said in an above post, there is nothing in the world that will make killing children and babies ok - in Palestine or any country. It has to stop.

Grammarnut · 03/10/2025 22:10

No march ever, I hope. Hamas are terrorists and they have been propagandising the blood lie for months. They raped, burned, mutilated, murdered and insulted the bodies of 1200 people on 7th Oct (the anniversary of the battle of Lepanto, which I have always considered was one factor in choosing the date) and injured 6000 more; they paraded the bodies of raped and murdered women through their streets to cheers and have held and murdered 250 hostages.
The pro-Palestiniers have mutilated and torn down pictures of babies and children and women taken hostage by Hamas and killed.
And now we have an attack on a sinagogue on Yom Kippur.

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