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Please no pro Palestine marches tomorrow

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NototerrorismIntheUK · 03/10/2025 15:15

The police and others have called out in the hope that there will be no pro Palestine marches tomorrow. They are stretched and say it will divert resources from trying to protect the Jewish people following the terrorist attack yesterday.

I agree. No march tomorrow AIBU?

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Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 21:43

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 03/10/2025 21:42

If you cannot have compassion for a community who have again and again stated they find these marches frightening and intimidating, the same community who have suffered a speaking terrrorist attack. If you are prioritising yet another pro Hamas March over the safety and security of that sane community you don’t really need to say anything else. We know.

Well said.

Outside9 · 03/10/2025 21:44

YABU.

Protesting against a genocide being led by Israel and supported by the US has nothing to do with British Jews.

If anything it's antisemitic to conflate the two.

Lovehascomeandgone · 03/10/2025 21:44

YouveGotNoBloodyIdea · 03/10/2025 15:18

they were not only marching in Brighton last night, they were dancing in the street. Sickening.

This has to stop.

Yes you are right, the genocide against Palestine has to stop.

sunflower1022 · 03/10/2025 21:44

Anyone who attends any of those marches tomorrow is so morally bankrupt there’s no arguing with them.

Let them feel morally superior and as though they’re on the right side of history.

They’re not.

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 21:45

Whatamidoinhere · 03/10/2025 21:43

oh so Israel isn’t blocking food and medical aid from reaching a starving nation living under daily Israeli bombs and attacks? Do you hear yourself? Enough with the justification!

Hamas knew precisely what would happen. Did they care? No.

sunshinestar1986 · 03/10/2025 21:45

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 21:38

Aboard what? A cruise? A yacht? No idea what you are talking about.

Sure you don't 😏
I meant abroad your head
Is it more clear now?

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 03/10/2025 21:45

Catssuddenlyappear · 03/10/2025 21:41

Genuinely, I don't think this job can possibly be good for you.

I work in a contentious area, but I wouldn't want to be so unable to detach that I was posting and beefing with people outside work

How on earth have you reached that. Conclusion -it’s almost like you are trying to make the poster question their job. I think it’s good someone feels passionate about their job

GiraffesAtThePark · 03/10/2025 21:45

People are unfairly joining connections where there are none. It’s not the case that people hear about the killings and then go on the march as a result. There were protests already arranged.

GoldPoster · 03/10/2025 21:46

I don’t think they should ever have been tolerated. I don’t believe they were about free speech. They were about fanning the flames of prejudice.

Lovehascomeandgone · 03/10/2025 21:46

HappyGolmore2 · 03/10/2025 15:19

We have the right to peaceful protest and freedom of speech, regardless of how you feel about the cause, so marches should go ahead.
Trying to use hate incidents to shut down freedom of expression is disgraceful.

Totally agree.

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 21:46

sunflower1022 · 03/10/2025 21:44

Anyone who attends any of those marches tomorrow is so morally bankrupt there’s no arguing with them.

Let them feel morally superior and as though they’re on the right side of history.

They’re not.

I wonder what their employers, family and friends will think. I would be bloody horrified.

EdgyHedgehog · 03/10/2025 21:47

What happened in Manchester is horrendous and tragic. Can we please stop conflating the state of Israel which is committing genocide with Jewish people, this is exactly the kind of logic that leads to Jewish people being targeted.

Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and has literally demolished and bombed Gaza City to dust, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians, hundreds of thousands more injured, displaced, homeless, targeting children, literally shooting toddlers as described by western doctors working on Gaza, killing countless thousands of civilians, using starvation as a tool, bombing hospitals, targeting journalists, the atrocities are endless if you care to look.

The genocide is brutal and ongoing, our government continues to export parts of weapons and aircraft used to kill children, and babies, why would we not want to demonstrate against this? One crime doesn't wipe out another.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 03/10/2025 21:47

Tryingtodobetter82 · 03/10/2025 21:39

We are told “freedom of speech” exists in this country, though it appears to operate on a sliding scale depending on the government’s preferred cause of the week.

It is remarkable how selective public outrage can be. During WW2, Approximately 2 million German civilians were killed, and cities like Dresden were entirely destroyed. Curiously though, no mass protests marched through London demanding the government stop targeting Nazi Germany because innocent people were caught in the middle. Back then, everyone seemed perfectly capable of distinguishing between the regime responsible and the tragic civilian cost.

Yet now, when Hamas openly attacks Israel, as they did on 7 October, some people find it easier to rally against Israel’s response than to acknowledge who initiated the violence. I can only assume that empathy is far easier as it was not your daughters / babies / sisters put through what they went through and videoed by Hamas and cheered by 100’s of Palestinians on their return. I should imagine your feelings towards this war would be some what different if that were the case.

And we are constantly assured these marches are “peaceful,” of course. The “river to the sea” chants, the Hamas flags, the open support for a terrorist group are apparently just incidental décor. But apparently pointing that out is the real offence. Because naturally, the presence of even a single Hamas sympathiser does not undermine the purity of the message at all.
Meanwhile, Israel is still fighting for the very simple reason that Hamas has not surrendered or shown the slightest inclination toward peace talks. But yes, by all means, keep acting as though this is some spontaneous and unreasonable decision on Israel’s part.

There are multiple active conflicts across continents you could protest for if consistency were the goal. Yemen, for example, is still very much a war zone. Christians are being driven out or killed in certain countries, feel free to pick one if you can be bothered.

But no, all attention just happens to be fixed on this one. Nothing whatsoever to do with antisemitism, obviously, pure coincidence, I am sure.

And then there is the small matter of local Jewish communities being targeted in the immediate aftermath of terrorist attacks committed by Hamas supporters. But sure, let’s pretend that is unrelated.

Imagine, reversing the scenario. A major date in the Catholic calendar, a terrorist who supports Hamas carries out multiple stabbings, and within days hundreds of people pour onto the streets publicly backing the ideology he claimed. I do wonder what the national reaction would be if that were to happen.

It is funny how persecution elsewhere, Christians being wiped out, wars in Yemen and beyond, fails to inspire weekly marches or performative outrage. So many global atrocities available for protest, yet somehow only one inspires this level of commitment.

Perhaps those who feel so passionately should consider protesting in the regions they claim to represent. It would be fascinating to see just how appreciated their efforts are when they are not shouting from the safety of a UK street.

It’s remarkable how selective outrage can be. Tens of thousands of civilians (over 20,000 children) have been killed in Gaza, yet all the focus seems to be on Hamas, as if Israel’s bombardment and starvation tactics don’t exist. Distinction between combatants and civilians, and proportionality of force, aren’t optional under international law- they’re requirements.

Comparisons to Dresden or other conflicts don’t change what’s happening now: hospitals have been hit, civilians deliberately deprived of food and water, and children are dying at an appalling rate. Pointing this out isn’t antisemitic, it’s simply recognising reality.

Protests in the UK aren’t “performative”, they’re a response to real people suffering right now. Concern for Gaza doesn’t mean you can’t care about other conflicts too, but dismissing it on the grounds of “other atrocities exist” is a pretty flimsy argument.

Glistening · 03/10/2025 21:48

Whatamidoinhere · 03/10/2025 21:43

oh so Israel isn’t blocking food and medical aid from reaching a starving nation living under daily Israeli bombs and attacks? Do you hear yourself? Enough with the justification!

Yes. Surely both are manifestly true. Hamas have been terrible for Gazans but how can anyone look at the current situation and honestly say that the Israeli government isn’t also a tremendous - and currently the very primary - source of harm?

Whatamidoinhere · 03/10/2025 21:48

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 03/10/2025 21:42

If you cannot have compassion for a community who have again and again stated they find these marches frightening and intimidating, the same community who have suffered a speaking terrrorist attack. If you are prioritising yet another pro Hamas March over the safety and security of that sane community you don’t really need to say anything else. We know.

The protests are not “frightening”! And I fear you’re victim blaming now. If you were stuck under daily torment of bombs and hunger, surely the least you’d need is someone to speak out for your rights. Marches ask for a cease fire so children stop being coldly murdered every single day. There’s no “fright” in asking for basic rights.

DrPrunesqualer · 03/10/2025 21:48

stomachamelon · 03/10/2025 21:37

Very empathetic given the thread title and why we are having this discussion.

The poster claimed Hamas flags were everywhere on the marches
Posting lies is inflammatory proporganda that breeds hate because some people believe this crap

That is far worse and completely unacceptable

AmIthatSpringy · 03/10/2025 21:49

Whatamidoinhere · 03/10/2025 21:48

The protests are not “frightening”! And I fear you’re victim blaming now. If you were stuck under daily torment of bombs and hunger, surely the least you’d need is someone to speak out for your rights. Marches ask for a cease fire so children stop being coldly murdered every single day. There’s no “fright” in asking for basic rights.

But they are frightening. Those scenes outside Downing Street were disgusting

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 21:49

Justagirl95 · 03/10/2025 21:43

Can you please explain to me what is antisemitic about not supporting genocide?

This post is about trying to appeal to people to be decent human beings and postpone this weekends marches to allow the Jewish communities some respite after yesterdays atrocities. But posters are gleefully spouting that of course their right to protest overrides any empathy they should have. This thread isn’t about genocide or Gaza, however much the terrorist sympathisers on here try to always make it about that on every single thread. So you need to look at the title of the thread. It’s not about supporting genocide….

DrPrunesqualer · 03/10/2025 21:51

EdgyHedgehog · 03/10/2025 21:47

What happened in Manchester is horrendous and tragic. Can we please stop conflating the state of Israel which is committing genocide with Jewish people, this is exactly the kind of logic that leads to Jewish people being targeted.

Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and has literally demolished and bombed Gaza City to dust, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians, hundreds of thousands more injured, displaced, homeless, targeting children, literally shooting toddlers as described by western doctors working on Gaza, killing countless thousands of civilians, using starvation as a tool, bombing hospitals, targeting journalists, the atrocities are endless if you care to look.

The genocide is brutal and ongoing, our government continues to export parts of weapons and aircraft used to kill children, and babies, why would we not want to demonstrate against this? One crime doesn't wipe out another.

Excellent post

Aurielle · 03/10/2025 21:51

DrPrunesqualer · 03/10/2025 21:51

Excellent post

Agreed.

DrPrunesqualer · 03/10/2025 21:52

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 21:49

This post is about trying to appeal to people to be decent human beings and postpone this weekends marches to allow the Jewish communities some respite after yesterdays atrocities. But posters are gleefully spouting that of course their right to protest overrides any empathy they should have. This thread isn’t about genocide or Gaza, however much the terrorist sympathisers on here try to always make it about that on every single thread. So you need to look at the title of the thread. It’s not about supporting genocide….

Again ??
No one is being gleeful here!

and there are NO terrorist sympathisers on here either

or show us your proof

Tryingtodobetter82 · 03/10/2025 21:52

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Nobody is claiming 7 October came out of thin air, but there is no history lesson that turns the mass murder and kidnapping of civilians into something justified or inevitable. If the point you are making is that past events somehow explain away the butchering of families, then you are not providing context, you are excusing terrorism. Plenty of oppressed people around the world do not respond by massacring innocents, so blaming circumstances is just a way of avoiding the fact that Hamas chose violence. If you cannot say what happened on 7 October was wrong without immediately trying to defend it, then the problem is not the timeline, it is your moral compass.

Lovehascomeandgone · 03/10/2025 21:52

EdgyHedgehog · 03/10/2025 21:47

What happened in Manchester is horrendous and tragic. Can we please stop conflating the state of Israel which is committing genocide with Jewish people, this is exactly the kind of logic that leads to Jewish people being targeted.

Israel is committing genocide in Gaza and has literally demolished and bombed Gaza City to dust, killing tens of thousands of Palestinians, hundreds of thousands more injured, displaced, homeless, targeting children, literally shooting toddlers as described by western doctors working on Gaza, killing countless thousands of civilians, using starvation as a tool, bombing hospitals, targeting journalists, the atrocities are endless if you care to look.

The genocide is brutal and ongoing, our government continues to export parts of weapons and aircraft used to kill children, and babies, why would we not want to demonstrate against this? One crime doesn't wipe out another.

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Thank you @EdgyHedgehog

pumpkinscake · 03/10/2025 21:52

It is possible to condemn the attack on the synagogue, and to condemnn genocide by Israel. I see no conflict.

Whatamidoinhere · 03/10/2025 21:53

DrPrunesqualer · 03/10/2025 21:52

Again ??
No one is being gleeful here!

and there are NO terrorist sympathisers on here either

or show us your proof

Edited

Terrorist sympathisers? Wow.

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