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Please no pro Palestine marches tomorrow

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NototerrorismIntheUK · 03/10/2025 15:15

The police and others have called out in the hope that there will be no pro Palestine marches tomorrow. They are stretched and say it will divert resources from trying to protect the Jewish people following the terrorist attack yesterday.

I agree. No march tomorrow AIBU?

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Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 21:33

Catssuddenlyappear · 03/10/2025 21:26

How do you know I'm not calling for a peace deal?

(For the record I'm not marching either, because I'll be in the pub)

I think you unhealthily fixated on policing other people's behaviours, are you like this in real life? Concerning if so

I am - it’s my job in real life. The pro Hamas march is dangerous in this environment.

Starmer again the weak and lily livered flip flopping didn’t have the courage to support his own police force and passed the job to the London mayor. Who unsurprisingly has gone completely silent on the issue. Pathetic given the risks.

If people want to go and support Hamas and inflame tensions, good luck to them. It’s their life that they are reducing to tatters. Of course we are warning of counter protests and violence. Do you think this is going to be tolerated indefinitely?

I speak as someone that feels deeply sorry for the people of Gaza, the blame for their horrendous predicament lies with their own government. Hamas knew they would ignite the firestorm for their own people with their heinous crimes on the 7th of October - and they did not care - not one jot.

Glistening · 03/10/2025 21:33

Catssuddenlyappear · 03/10/2025 21:30

What's your beef with Georgetown University?

(My guess is that you think it's Hamas or something equally plausible)

Everything is Hamas.

Hospitals, schools, the UN, Georgetown University, six-year-old girls. Six-year-old girls are some of the most Hamas of all

DrPrunesqualer · 03/10/2025 21:35

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 21:30

Oh come on. It’s been widely publicised in the media on many occasions where people on these marches, where they’ve been vocally antisemitic and had banners taken from them with inappropriate wording. You’re one person standing in a crowd of a few thousand, so you’re clearly not privy to everything that goes on, so stop pretending you are.

Considering you think the Palestinian flag is pro Hamas I think if someone sneezed in your direction it would be an attack

sunshinestar1986 · 03/10/2025 21:35

askmenow · 03/10/2025 20:51

They wont listen. Totally tasteless.

Protesting against the continued suffering of an entire nation is tasteless?
The homes have been destroyed, the hospitals destroyed, their children and entire nation continued to be starved and killed
But it's tasteless to protest against that
Why exactly?

RoseAndGeranium · 03/10/2025 21:35

Glistening · 03/10/2025 21:27

I can certainly believe both of these things about Hamas. The people of Gaza have suffered greatly due to their actions.

They have also suffered greatly due to the actions of the Israeli government, and that’s where our own government is complicit. And that’s where the urgency lies right now.

Our government cannot stop Israel's actions in Gaza. Even the US government would have a hard time achieving that. What our government has done, very stupidly, is reward Hamas for perpetuating the current state of conflict. If Starmer were genuinely interested in bringing the war to a conclusion he would have imposed conditions on Hamas, such as returning the remaining hostages, before recognising Palestinian statehood. If Hamas were to do so, it would be a great deal easier for international partners of Israel, such as the UK, to bring diplomatic pressure to bear on the Israeli government. Whilst Hamas continues to hold hostages and to engage in gross acts of provocation, such as returning the incorrect body when hostage returns are scheduled to happen, Israel has strong rhetorical reasons for continuing to fight. The idea that a series of quite violent protests on British streets is going to have any effect other than terrorising the British Jewish community and making attacks on that community, such as the one in Manchester, more likely, is a bizarre fantasy.

stomachamelon · 03/10/2025 21:35

How does you going to ‘the marches’ (all of them? In every town in the uk?) ‘shows’ there is ‘zero’ antisemitism.
I have seen it.
I am telling you I have seen it.
Are you calling me a liar?

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 03/10/2025 21:36

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 21:25

This is not a reliable source as you well know.

20,000 children have been killed. Are you denying this fact?

DrPrunesqualer · 03/10/2025 21:36

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 21:33

I am - it’s my job in real life. The pro Hamas march is dangerous in this environment.

Starmer again the weak and lily livered flip flopping didn’t have the courage to support his own police force and passed the job to the London mayor. Who unsurprisingly has gone completely silent on the issue. Pathetic given the risks.

If people want to go and support Hamas and inflame tensions, good luck to them. It’s their life that they are reducing to tatters. Of course we are warning of counter protests and violence. Do you think this is going to be tolerated indefinitely?

I speak as someone that feels deeply sorry for the people of Gaza, the blame for their horrendous predicament lies with their own government. Hamas knew they would ignite the firestorm for their own people with their heinous crimes on the 7th of October - and they did not care - not one jot.

No one is supporting Hamas
If that’s what you think then clearly this is not your job or you’d know better
fgs

sunshinestar1986 · 03/10/2025 21:37

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 20:25

The potential for serious violence clearly hasn’t crossed your mind?

We don’t want this in our country, thank you.

Then stop supporting and funding atrocities aboard
Simples
Acting like its nothing to do with you 🙄

stomachamelon · 03/10/2025 21:37

DrPrunesqualer · 03/10/2025 21:35

Considering you think the Palestinian flag is pro Hamas I think if someone sneezed in your direction it would be an attack

Very empathetic given the thread title and why we are having this discussion.

Aurielle · 03/10/2025 21:37

There is nothing in the world that makes killing and severely injuring children and babies ok. Nothing.

Whatamidoinhere · 03/10/2025 21:37

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 21:33

I am - it’s my job in real life. The pro Hamas march is dangerous in this environment.

Starmer again the weak and lily livered flip flopping didn’t have the courage to support his own police force and passed the job to the London mayor. Who unsurprisingly has gone completely silent on the issue. Pathetic given the risks.

If people want to go and support Hamas and inflame tensions, good luck to them. It’s their life that they are reducing to tatters. Of course we are warning of counter protests and violence. Do you think this is going to be tolerated indefinitely?

I speak as someone that feels deeply sorry for the people of Gaza, the blame for their horrendous predicament lies with their own government. Hamas knew they would ignite the firestorm for their own people with their heinous crimes on the 7th of October - and they did not care - not one jot.

So according to you the marches shouldn’t be tolerated any longer, but people being starved and killed relentlessly for 2 long years is perfectly tolerable?

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 21:38

sunshinestar1986 · 03/10/2025 21:37

Then stop supporting and funding atrocities aboard
Simples
Acting like its nothing to do with you 🙄

Aboard what? A cruise? A yacht? No idea what you are talking about.

signiffig · 03/10/2025 21:39

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 21:09

What??? Of course the pro Palestine group supports Hamas. Are you seriously saying you don’t know this?? Ffs

You can't be pro-Palestine and not pro-Hamas - well I think there we have it - the people of Palestine do not exist as free-thinking humans. Should the Palestinians be pro-Israel? Or do they not have the right to think?

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 21:39

Whatamidoinhere · 03/10/2025 21:37

So according to you the marches shouldn’t be tolerated any longer, but people being starved and killed relentlessly for 2 long years is perfectly tolerable?

They have been starved and harmed by their own government. The very people that were tasked to protect them.

Tryingtodobetter82 · 03/10/2025 21:39

ThriveAT · 03/10/2025 16:46

Last time I checked, we live in a free country (sort of), where freedom of expression is allowed (for now).

We are told “freedom of speech” exists in this country, though it appears to operate on a sliding scale depending on the government’s preferred cause of the week.

It is remarkable how selective public outrage can be. During WW2, Approximately 2 million German civilians were killed, and cities like Dresden were entirely destroyed. Curiously though, no mass protests marched through London demanding the government stop targeting Nazi Germany because innocent people were caught in the middle. Back then, everyone seemed perfectly capable of distinguishing between the regime responsible and the tragic civilian cost.

Yet now, when Hamas openly attacks Israel, as they did on 7 October, some people find it easier to rally against Israel’s response than to acknowledge who initiated the violence. I can only assume that empathy is far easier as it was not your daughters / babies / sisters put through what they went through and videoed by Hamas and cheered by 100’s of Palestinians on their return. I should imagine your feelings towards this war would be some what different if that were the case.

And we are constantly assured these marches are “peaceful,” of course. The “river to the sea” chants, the Hamas flags, the open support for a terrorist group are apparently just incidental décor. But apparently pointing that out is the real offence. Because naturally, the presence of even a single Hamas sympathiser does not undermine the purity of the message at all.
Meanwhile, Israel is still fighting for the very simple reason that Hamas has not surrendered or shown the slightest inclination toward peace talks. But yes, by all means, keep acting as though this is some spontaneous and unreasonable decision on Israel’s part.

There are multiple active conflicts across continents you could protest for if consistency were the goal. Yemen, for example, is still very much a war zone. Christians are being driven out or killed in certain countries, feel free to pick one if you can be bothered.

But no, all attention just happens to be fixed on this one. Nothing whatsoever to do with antisemitism, obviously, pure coincidence, I am sure.

And then there is the small matter of local Jewish communities being targeted in the immediate aftermath of terrorist attacks committed by Hamas supporters. But sure, let’s pretend that is unrelated.

Imagine, reversing the scenario. A major date in the Catholic calendar, a terrorist who supports Hamas carries out multiple stabbings, and within days hundreds of people pour onto the streets publicly backing the ideology he claimed. I do wonder what the national reaction would be if that were to happen.

It is funny how persecution elsewhere, Christians being wiped out, wars in Yemen and beyond, fails to inspire weekly marches or performative outrage. So many global atrocities available for protest, yet somehow only one inspires this level of commitment.

Perhaps those who feel so passionately should consider protesting in the regions they claim to represent. It would be fascinating to see just how appreciated their efforts are when they are not shouting from the safety of a UK street.

Catssuddenlyappear · 03/10/2025 21:41

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 21:33

I am - it’s my job in real life. The pro Hamas march is dangerous in this environment.

Starmer again the weak and lily livered flip flopping didn’t have the courage to support his own police force and passed the job to the London mayor. Who unsurprisingly has gone completely silent on the issue. Pathetic given the risks.

If people want to go and support Hamas and inflame tensions, good luck to them. It’s their life that they are reducing to tatters. Of course we are warning of counter protests and violence. Do you think this is going to be tolerated indefinitely?

I speak as someone that feels deeply sorry for the people of Gaza, the blame for their horrendous predicament lies with their own government. Hamas knew they would ignite the firestorm for their own people with their heinous crimes on the 7th of October - and they did not care - not one jot.

Genuinely, I don't think this job can possibly be good for you.

I work in a contentious area, but I wouldn't want to be so unable to detach that I was posting and beefing with people outside work

Catssuddenlyappear · 03/10/2025 21:42

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MyHeartyCoralSnail · 03/10/2025 21:42

HappyGolmore2 · 03/10/2025 15:19

We have the right to peaceful protest and freedom of speech, regardless of how you feel about the cause, so marches should go ahead.
Trying to use hate incidents to shut down freedom of expression is disgraceful.

If you cannot have compassion for a community who have again and again stated they find these marches frightening and intimidating, the same community who have suffered a speaking terrrorist attack. If you are prioritising yet another pro Hamas March over the safety and security of that sane community you don’t really need to say anything else. We know.

Dawnintheageofaquariams · 03/10/2025 21:42

Might be time for UK gov to consider internment for those on the watchlist again.

Andouillette · 03/10/2025 21:42

Onmytod24 · 03/10/2025 16:49

We ignored the Nazis war camps, didn’t we? History will judge us.

No 'we' didn't. Not at all.

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 21:42

signiffig · 03/10/2025 21:39

You can't be pro-Palestine and not pro-Hamas - well I think there we have it - the people of Palestine do not exist as free-thinking humans. Should the Palestinians be pro-Israel? Or do they not have the right to think?

You can support Palestine by donating to charities. You don’t call for the extermination of an entire race.

Justagirl95 · 03/10/2025 21:43

clipboardz · 03/10/2025 21:27

These threads have really been enlightening, so much deep rooted and insidious antisemitism.

Can you please explain to me what is antisemitic about not supporting genocide?

N4ish · 03/10/2025 21:43

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 21:17

You don’t read the News? It was shown yesterday. You might not want to believe that as it goes against your narrative of these lovely, empathetic people who go on these marches. But I’m afraid you’ll have to accept that this isn’t, nor has it ever, been the case. The only reason there aren’t more arrests at these marches is because the police have to be mindful that there is potential that they will be overpowered and put themselves and the public in danger by clamping down on inappropriate behaviour, because of the numbers involved.

You obviously haven’t seen the kinds of people they arrest at Palestine Action protests! There is no risk of the Met Police being overwhelmed by 80 year old women and blind wheelchair users.

Whatamidoinhere · 03/10/2025 21:43

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 21:39

They have been starved and harmed by their own government. The very people that were tasked to protect them.

Edited

oh so Israel isn’t blocking food and medical aid from reaching a starving nation living under daily Israeli bombs and attacks? Do you hear yourself? Enough with the justification!

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