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Please no pro Palestine marches tomorrow

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NototerrorismIntheUK · 03/10/2025 15:15

The police and others have called out in the hope that there will be no pro Palestine marches tomorrow. They are stretched and say it will divert resources from trying to protect the Jewish people following the terrorist attack yesterday.

I agree. No march tomorrow AIBU?

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DancefloorAcrobatics · 03/10/2025 20:49

ThatCyanCat · 03/10/2025 20:46

There's a peace deal on the table. All it's waiting for is Hamas' signature.

A peace deal with eroded rights for ordinary Palestinians. One where they have to endure the IDF as occupiers.

I can see why it isn't very popular...

Pumpkinatmidnight · 03/10/2025 20:50

NototerrorismIntheUK · 03/10/2025 15:15

The police and others have called out in the hope that there will be no pro Palestine marches tomorrow. They are stretched and say it will divert resources from trying to protect the Jewish people following the terrorist attack yesterday.

I agree. No march tomorrow AIBU?

I don't understand the link between marching against the targeted mass killings and enforced starvation of one group of people is connected to one mad and sick man's attack on another group? There was an equally horrific attack at a church in the US last week with four worshippers murdered, and it was (rightly) framed as a random act of violence. I don't protest as I find large crowds overwhelming, though I inwardly protest against all violence, hate and this hopeless polarisation: you are this therefore you're against that. It is not mutually exclusive. I think Israel's violent creation and persecution (enforced displacement and extermination) of an entire native population since (for three quarters of a century) that has done the most damage to Jewish communities globally. people are now more aware of what has consistently been happening. I have family who have denounced their Israeli nationalities, and if I had one I would like to think I would have done the same.

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 20:50

N4ish · 03/10/2025 20:34

Luckily you don’t get to decide what ‘we’ want in our country. The right to protest is a key part of living in a democracy.

Who would be responsible for any serious violence? There has been no serious violence on any previous pro Palestine protest so why would tomorrow be any different?

I am not sure about that actually, you might end up in prison.

Glistening · 03/10/2025 20:50

RoamingToaster · 03/10/2025 20:41

You do not need a set percentage of the population to be killed for the definition of genocide to be met

Exactly. If you go by that standard then Srebrenica wouldn't qualify and others as well. Plus it's ongoing in Gaza. It's not like it's stopped.

Right, I mean injuring or killing 3% of the population in just two years is actually quite high surely. Give them another few years to finish the job and i’m sure they’ll do their best.

askmenow · 03/10/2025 20:51

They wont listen. Totally tasteless.

clipboardz · 03/10/2025 20:51

I don't understand? So thousands of people have been murdered in palestine but people are supposed to keep shtum because 2 people in UK were murdered by a madman?

Yes you have misunderstood

SharonEllis · 03/10/2025 20:52

signiffig · 03/10/2025 20:29

You do if you are being affected by the killing of thousands of Palestinians, which I challenge you not to call a daily hit of heinous acts.
British Jews have nothing to do with Israel, and their genocide against the Palestinian people why should the march not go ahead?

I just explained why. They are under attack and the police can't be in two places at once. In addition there are undoubtedly antisemitic elements in the marches and any common decency would takr a moment to reflect. Aarch willake no difference whatsoever and will not save a single life in Gaza.

Though Hamas surrendering would save many. A peaceful, respectful march for that would be appropriate if you care about people in Gaza.

DrPrunesqualer · 03/10/2025 20:52

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 20:07

And yet we see the pro Hamas flags flapping about everywhere on these marches. It is intimidating for the Jewish community so if we're talking flags, then flying the pro Hamas flag is also not appropriate. They have no place on our streets. This is the UK not Gaza.

pro Hamas flags flapping everywhere ????
No there aren’t !!!!
Not in this country

Can you post evidence of all these Hamas flags everywhere

Please no pro Palestine marches tomorrow
DrPrunesqualer · 03/10/2025 20:53

. None!!

Please no pro Palestine marches tomorrow
NotTerfNorCis · 03/10/2025 20:55

MaturingCheeseball · 03/10/2025 15:53

I just looked up Richard Barnard, head of Palestine Action and, quelle surprise, he headed Extinction Rebellion.

He is just a very nasty anti-establishment rabble rouser who will be onto the next cause when it suits him. Along with his pack of waste-of-space followers.

A quick Google shows he has 'Tiocfaidh ár lá' on his Twitter profile. Irish Republican slogan, 'our day will come'.

Glistening · 03/10/2025 20:55

askmenow · 03/10/2025 20:51

They wont listen. Totally tasteless.

Finding it tasteless is totally fine!

What’s not fine is what others are doing, calling for the marches to be banned, all protesters arrested, army sent in and so on.

Thegreyhound · 03/10/2025 20:55

AmIthatSpringy · 03/10/2025 20:42

I can't believe that our society has reached the stage where people in UK were murdered in a terrorist attack
and the response is for the virtue signallers to don their scarfs and march.

fucking shameful

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I can’t believe we have reached a stage where people protesting the murder of tens of thousands of innocent children are being called ‘fucking shameful’ as opposed to the fucking shameful bastards doing the killing, funding the killing, turning a blind eye to the killing and arming the killing.
Talk about a warped and twisted world. Snipers picking off children getting food but the people saying that is wrong and asking for it to stop are the shameful ones? Really?
Talk about the descent of humanity.

ChelseaBagger · 03/10/2025 20:55

Superfoodie123 · 03/10/2025 20:48

I don't understand? So thousands of people have been murdered in palestine but people are supposed to keep shtum because 2 people in UK were murdered by a madman?

Either you're all bots all people have seriously lost their minds

I think it would be reasonable for people not to attended a protest in support of the banned group Palestine Action (banned for reasons mentioned above) which will necessarily take huge police resources, when those same finite police resources could be used supporting the Jewish community this weekend.

Wedonttalkaboutboris · 03/10/2025 20:56

Verv · 03/10/2025 20:17

I’m going to say this, again.

It is not a genocide.

Less than 3% of the population of Gaza has been injured or killed.
The population has increased since the war began.

The genocide of the Jews, in comparison, killed 2 out of 3 in Europe.
Thats what led to the creation of the Jewish state, but of course we know that, which is why genocide is so wonderfully inflammatory.

The war in Syria, which is ongoing, has killed half a million, most recently with the targeted humiliation and massacre of the Druze.
Christians are being massacred in Nigeria.
The world is a mess and people are dying across Africa and the Middle East - no protests, absolute crickets because it’s not “genocide” that most of the PP lot despise, it’s Israel.

If Israel’s intention was genocide - they have the firepower to do it very quickly and very successfully.

The fact that they are still leafleting areas that they intend to enter and clear (of Hamas) indicates that they are not targeting civilians. But of course, when they leaflet drop asking people to move to a place of safety that’s “displacement” - eye roll.

Acres of aid in Gaza that Israel let in was left to sit and rot because the UN refused to deliver it.
The GHF have now taken over and it’s being dispersed - do genocidal countries usually feed and water their enemies?
Seems counterintuitive.

Images of “starving children” have been manipulated. Largely by photographing children with genetic defects and other health issues while their well nourished siblings are out of frame. Or simply by staging them with empty bowls for the cameras. Both manipulations have been exposed.

The stats coming from Gaza are coming from its ministry of health - Hamas.

Israels calculations are a 2:1 combatant to civilian ratio, which isn’t bad for war, but of course, they can’t be believed because israel bad and Hamas honest.

Hamas themselves are indicating that this is not a genocide as they persistently hide behind human shields and in schools and hospitals - human shields don’t deter the genocidal.

Women and children are the biggest non Hamas casualties - because when it comes to the dispersal of aid - they are at the bottom of the list.
If you look at any of the men, apart from the skeletal Israeli hostages being made to dig their own graves on camera, on any of the videos coming out of Gaza - they’re fed.

It is the choice of Hamas to feed their fighters and screw their civilians.

Before I get “well the UN says” - the UN has a long history of being anti Israel. The UNWRA buildings in Gaza had tunnels below them, and members of Hamas were in the employ of UNWRA.
They are political. As are WHO.
The British government, on the other hand, concluded no sign of genocide - but let’s ignore that because it doesn’t suit the entirely predictable narrative.

Hamas started this war when they butchered and raped at nova.
They have been told umpteen times how to end it - lay down arms and release the hostages but their charter literally calls for them to eradicate the Jews, at any cost, and to not stop until they are gone.

That is true genocidal intent, and that is what each and every single member of the pro pal mob are supporting “from the river to the sea”

And no, there’s no difference between Mr Jihadi parachuting his way into Nova to kill Jews and mr Jihadi in Manchester attacking a synagogue.
Same ideology, same religion, same genuinely genocidal belief system and with a father who celebrated the massacre, and not one of you will pause your “free speech” to consider what your free speech is doing.

Hell mend anybody that marches with an England flag though eh? Racisssssts.

I assume this post might have a higher chance of remaining in situ, mumsnet, given that I haven’t called anybody a moron for chanting for the destruction of the Jewish state this time.

This entire post is full of misinformation at best, blatant lies at worst. Just A few key points:

  • Genocide isn’t defined by body count. It’s about intent to destroy a people “in whole or in part” (UN Genocide Convention). The ICJ has already found a plausible case that Israel is committing genocide in Gaza. That’s not “inflammatory language,” that’s international law. The problem is the scale and consistency. When whole displacement camps, schools, hospitals, and aid convoys are repeatedly bombed, that’s not incidental- it’s a pattern. International bodies (including the ICJ and UN) have recognised that civilians are being deliberately targeted or collectively punished.
  • 70% of the Palestinians who have been killed are women and children. Gaza now has the highest number of child amputees than anywhere else in the world. 40,000 orphans. Those who survive are being slowly starved- half of all children under five are acutely malnourished. 1 million children displaced and homeless.
  • Only 3%’ dead or injured = 120,000 people. Imagine saying ‘only’ 120,000 UK civilians dead or maimed isn’t a crisis. And the claim about Gaza’s population rising is a deliberate distortion- people are being killed faster than census figures can update.
  • Targeting civilians is documented. Amnesty, HRW, UN experts, and even Israeli whistleblowers have recorded deliberate bombings of homes, shelters, hospitals, and children. 9-year-old Almna was killed by a drone carrying water. That’s not “military targeting.”
  • Starvation is not a photo trick. The UN, WFP, UNICEF and even Israeli health officials have confirmed famine conditions and malnutrition. Starving a civilian population is a war crime.
  • ‘Leaflet warnings’ don’t cancel war crimes. Forcing civilians to flee under threat of bombing is displacement is also illegal under international law. And bombing people after warning them doesn’t make it lawful. Over 50,000–80,000 people in Deir al-Balah were told to evacuate, with 87.8% of Gaza under evacuation or declared military zones-leaving just 12% of safe space for 2.1 million people. The pattern has been chilling: evacuation orders issued, followed by bombing- leaving civilians with no safe place to go and increasing their vulnerability dramatically.
  • Blaming Hamas for Israel’s choices doesn’t work legally. International law requires distinction and proportionality no matter what the enemy does. Civilians don’t lose their protections because combatants hide nearby.
  • Much of it is verified- by satellite imagery, journalists on the ground, humanitarian organisations, and even Israel’s own statements

So no, pointing this out isn’t “supporting Hamas”- it’s holding Israel to the same laws every country is bound by. Deflecting to other conflicts, or sneering about ‘pearl clutching,’ doesn’t erase the reality: Gaza has the highest child death toll of any conflict this century. That’s why people are outraged.

Israel is the one actively bombing, displacing, and starving these people. If the goal was truly “saving civilians,” they could build safe zones, allow food and medical aid in, and evacuate people before attacks. Instead, what we’re seeing is the exact opposite: deliberate deprivation, destruction of homes and hospitals, and mass civilian suffering. The idea that “Hamas hides among civilians” doesn’t justify punishing 2+ million people, including 1.1 million children.

Netanyahu is actually quoted in 2019 saying that anyone who wants to stop a Palestinian state should support keeping Hamas strong in Gaza. There’s no evidence (yet) that he personally ‘funded’ Hamas, but his governments repeatedly approved Qatari cash transfers into Gaza knowing Hamas controlled the strip. He reportedly embraced this as a strategic move to divide Palestinian factions and hinder peace negotiations.

ThatCyanCat · 03/10/2025 20:57

DancefloorAcrobatics · 03/10/2025 20:49

A peace deal with eroded rights for ordinary Palestinians. One where they have to endure the IDF as occupiers.

I can see why it isn't very popular...

It will be governed by an apolitical committee with the door open for a Palestinian state in future. I know Netanyahu doesn't want that but one way or another his days are numbered. Further changes can be worked on once it's in place, but it would mean an end to the killing, the return of the hostages and the end of Hamas rule. It's a first step and if agreed and adhered to, it will end the killing and bring some stability which can then be built on for a longer term solution.

Anyone who doesn't accept it basically thinks the ongoing killing is better than an immediate peace that isn't perfect from the start. They can believe that, but clearly ceasefire and an end to the killing isn't their priority.

Justagirl95 · 03/10/2025 20:57

Greenmouldycheese · 03/10/2025 20:34

It's literally on the news and can be found on nigel farrages YouTube channel as 'farrage responds to Manchester attack' but you carry on ignoring facts and join in with antisemitism.

Yikes. Explains a lot tbh.

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 20:59

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AmIthatSpringy · 03/10/2025 20:59

Superfoodie123 · 03/10/2025 20:48

I don't understand? So thousands of people have been murdered in palestine but people are supposed to keep shtum because 2 people in UK were murdered by a madman?

Either you're all bots all people have seriously lost their minds

do you live in the UK?

I do, and am
affected by terrorist attacks in this country. that effects me
and mine so of
course I think a show of empathy and compassion is in order.

Thegreyhound · 03/10/2025 20:59

ChelseaBagger · 03/10/2025 20:55

I think it would be reasonable for people not to attended a protest in support of the banned group Palestine Action (banned for reasons mentioned above) which will necessarily take huge police resources, when those same finite police resources could be used supporting the Jewish community this weekend.

It will take huge police resources because of the utter stupidity of the government- you have seen the images of these protests, yes? Genteel middle aged women, retired vicars and wheelchair bound people being dragged off by police for holding pieces of paper?

SharonEllis · 03/10/2025 21:00

Pumpkinatmidnight · 03/10/2025 20:50

I don't understand the link between marching against the targeted mass killings and enforced starvation of one group of people is connected to one mad and sick man's attack on another group? There was an equally horrific attack at a church in the US last week with four worshippers murdered, and it was (rightly) framed as a random act of violence. I don't protest as I find large crowds overwhelming, though I inwardly protest against all violence, hate and this hopeless polarisation: you are this therefore you're against that. It is not mutually exclusive. I think Israel's violent creation and persecution (enforced displacement and extermination) of an entire native population since (for three quarters of a century) that has done the most damage to Jewish communities globally. people are now more aware of what has consistently been happening. I have family who have denounced their Israeli nationalities, and if I had one I would like to think I would have done the same.

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You are seriously historically midinformed. First Jews are 'native' to the region. Second Israel has not persecuted an entire population. They have been at war with neighbours who rejected the opportunity for statehood and deny their right to exist. Thirdly the 'most harm' done to Jewish community was before the creation of the state of Israel in 1948 when the nazis extirminated 6 million of them. Fourthly holding Jews in the diaspora collectively responsible for the actions of any Israeli government is antisemitic and only the racists who do it are responsible. Nobody else.

Glistening · 03/10/2025 21:00

ChelseaBagger · 03/10/2025 20:55

I think it would be reasonable for people not to attended a protest in support of the banned group Palestine Action (banned for reasons mentioned above) which will necessarily take huge police resources, when those same finite police resources could be used supporting the Jewish community this weekend.

Does this not perfectly highlight the stupidity and shortsightedness of the decision to proscribe Palestine Action?

The police are now obliged to waste precious time and resource on these marches, while genuine threats occur elsewhere.

Thats exactly what the marches are meant to show.

Nestingbirds · 03/10/2025 21:01

For everyone that plans on going out to support Hamas tomorrow, they might wish to consider the impact this will have on their own lives when they are arrested or splashed on the front pages for the mindless thugs they are.

Your protest will do nothing to save anyone in Gaza.

All you are actually achieving is stoking up trouble and division here. Hamas is enjoying it though. No doubt they are getting pats on the back from Iran and Russia.

Glistening · 03/10/2025 21:02

Thegreyhound · 03/10/2025 20:59

It will take huge police resources because of the utter stupidity of the government- you have seen the images of these protests, yes? Genteel middle aged women, retired vicars and wheelchair bound people being dragged off by police for holding pieces of paper?

This!!! How is this not obvious?!

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 21:02

DrPrunesqualer · 03/10/2025 20:52

pro Hamas flags flapping everywhere ????
No there aren’t !!!!
Not in this country

Can you post evidence of all these Hamas flags everywhere

Well the Palestinian flags are supporting Hamas. Simple really.. you know, a bit like when people say flying the British flag is in support of Tommy Robinson…

Justagirl95 · 03/10/2025 21:04

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 21:02

Well the Palestinian flags are supporting Hamas. Simple really.. you know, a bit like when people say flying the British flag is in support of Tommy Robinson…

Yes, that's the same.

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