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Please no pro Palestine marches tomorrow

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NototerrorismIntheUK · 03/10/2025 15:15

The police and others have called out in the hope that there will be no pro Palestine marches tomorrow. They are stretched and say it will divert resources from trying to protect the Jewish people following the terrorist attack yesterday.

I agree. No march tomorrow AIBU?

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Anyahyacinth · 03/10/2025 20:04

ChelseaBagger · 03/10/2025 20:00

The relevant link this weekend is that the police are saying they don't have the resources to offer support to the Jewish community if they're occupied with the protests.

Well then they can choose not to arrest retired people holding cardboard signs…this was always where making our elderly compassionate citizens protesting was going to lead….a massive waste of resources to try and silence legitimate protest

Whatthistime · 03/10/2025 20:06

Strangerthanfictions · 03/10/2025 19:56

In response to the glaswegians unlawfully captured in international waters and detained by Israel. Totally illegal and nothing to do with murders elsewhere in the country.

Even the UN does not dispute the legality of the blockade. Activism means taking responsibility. The flotilla participants had a choice: they could either turn back or enter the designated Israeli port. They also had the option to agreed to deportation.
It’s adorable how some people want to be heroes—just as long as their designer outfits stay spotless. I do hope they’ll manage without their phones, now that they’ve heroically tossed them into the sea.

RoamingToaster · 03/10/2025 20:06

ChelseaBagger · 03/10/2025 20:00

The relevant link this weekend is that the police are saying they don't have the resources to offer support to the Jewish community if they're occupied with the protests.

They should make the call to protect the Jewish community. I don't think it's difficult. Nothing bad is going to happen if fewer peaceful pensioners get arrested.

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 20:07

SalonDesRefuses · 03/10/2025 19:59

Exactly this.

I'm not going to pretend that antisemitism doesn't exist, but people accusing you of being a terrorist simply because you do not believe in the mass killings of innocents...it's outrageous.

There is not one tiny part of me who blames Jewish people for this. I blame the governments. The people who DO try to take this out on either Jewish or Muslim people are completely wrong and deserve to be charged for inciting racial hatred.

People talk about compassion, yet they have no compassion for children starving to death.

The only thing I will say, is that I think the march could have been postponed to allow families to grieve and stop idiots using it as an excuse just to cause trouble.

Remember after Southport, Muslim women were told not to go out alone because of fear of being attacked. Likely by the type of people who all of a sudden need to put flags up to show how proud they are of being British. Anyone non-white is a target whether they were born here or not. Apparently THAT isn't inciting hatred though.

And yet we see the pro Hamas flags flapping about everywhere on these marches. It is intimidating for the Jewish community so if we're talking flags, then flying the pro Hamas flag is also not appropriate. They have no place on our streets. This is the UK not Gaza.

DomPom47 · 03/10/2025 20:09

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 03/10/2025 19:53

Answer me who would Israel attack if Hamas were defeated?

Oh I don’t know they can be creative as they were historically. Kafr Qasim massacre where 49 Palestinian Arab were shot. Gaza, during the 1956 Suez Crisis: Israeli forces killed hundreds of Palestinian.West Bank under occupation (1967–1987): 92 Palestinians killed by Israeli forces. Well before Hamas Israeli forces causes thousands of deaths.
Outside of the deaths I am sure they will continue with their illegal settlements - but let me guess it’s not illegal for you as the land is promised land and international law is clearly antisemitic. Gosh if only these Palestinians would just disappear and make the only peace loving democracy in the Middle East’s life easy. The way lobbying works in the US and UK and the way veto power works in the UN this is very likely to happen. The genocide will not be stopped.

TheCheekyCyanHelper · 03/10/2025 20:09

NototerrorismIntheUK · 03/10/2025 15:24

Please use this time to chant no to terrorism then as well? Get rid of terrorists? Free the hostages? No? Peace for all maybe?

Please, please don't sing globalise the intifada and from the river to the sea..... (eradicate Israel as it means) etc etc maybe just peace for all?

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Israel is the terrorist. They've been committing genocide since 1949. They're just finally getting called out. How many innocent people in Gaza were bombed that day?

Willyoujustbequiet · 03/10/2025 20:11

Greenmouldycheese · 03/10/2025 19:37

I think they feel like they cannot admit they are wrong so willfully ignore all evidence. There are so many news reporters talking about the riot and celebration, i dont understand how they havent seen any of it? Do they now watch the news at all? Lack of intelligence might be another reason too.

Exactly.

I can't never work out whether they just aren't the brightest/incredibly naive or really just disingenuous out and out racists.

ChelseaBagger · 03/10/2025 20:11

Anyahyacinth · 03/10/2025 20:04

Well then they can choose not to arrest retired people holding cardboard signs…this was always where making our elderly compassionate citizens protesting was going to lead….a massive waste of resources to try and silence legitimate protest

The police absolutely cannot make that choice.

The Home Secretary has proscribed Palestine Action because not all of the members are retired people holding cardboard signs, and the police must act accordingly. They don't get to decide which laws to uphold and which to let slide.

TheCheekyCyanHelper · 03/10/2025 20:11

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Onmytod24 · 03/10/2025 20:11

NototerrorismIntheUK · 03/10/2025 19:38

What on earth are you on about! There are a number of conflicts going on around the world by the way. There are also hundreds of thousands starving in other countries in case you missed it.

This terrorist attack was in the UK by a terrorist who somehow seemed to blame UK Jewish people for a conflict in the middle east. Its not their fault. Screaming free Palestine in the UK every Saturday or on Jewish holy days (yesterday) does nothing to help Palestinian people. Maybe urge Hamas to accept a peace plan.....that would ACTUALLY HELP Palestinians. Maybe try something that might work. These marches feel hate filled.

I mean calling to globalise the intifada is basically calling for what that scum did yesterday in Manchester. That's disgusting.

Read what you’ve written you’re making all kinds of links and all kinds of hypotheses that does nothing to help absolutely nothing.

Greenmouldycheese · 03/10/2025 20:11

DrPrunesqualer · 03/10/2025 19:33

I’ve found nothing either and the only celebration with people dancing etc was some footballers on a train celebrating a win
Nothing on the major news sites either and you’d think at least one U.K. outlet would pick up posts from social media if something this hateful actually happened

I like to see the facts as there’s so much proporganda out there it just fuels more and more hate

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Yeah and nigel farrage must be basing his speeches off propaganda too? Even shabana Mahmood has said she is disappointed with the celebrations but they must be wrong because pretend Dr Prunes on mumsnet says it's propaganda. Seriously, the lack of intelligence is shocking. Bye.

Greenmouldycheese · 03/10/2025 20:11

Yeah and nigel farrage must be basing his speeches off propaganda too? Even shabana Mahmood has said she is disappointed with the celebrations but they must be wrong because pretend Dr Prunes on mumsnet says it's propaganda. Seriously, the lack of intelligence is shocking. Bye.

Flomingho · 03/10/2025 20:12

HappyGolmore2 · 03/10/2025 15:19

We have the right to peaceful protest and freedom of speech, regardless of how you feel about the cause, so marches should go ahead.
Trying to use hate incidents to shut down freedom of expression is disgraceful.

Totally agree with this. A lot of people protesting on behalf of the Palestinians do not wish harm to Jewish people. They are angry with the Israeli government. Unfortunately, as with any protest or political movement, there are extremists who will ruin it for those who want to protest peacefully.

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 20:13

Glistening · 03/10/2025 20:03

Omg this! Can these anti-march posters all be real do you think? So many seem to have very extreme views of the kind that I wouldn’t really expect to see on a milquetoast forum like this. Or am I in a bubble and this level of authoritarianism is mainstream now?

You seriously think that it's appropriate for marches to go ahead tomorrow when they have partially contributed to what happened yesterday? Don't you think that Jews are feeling vulnerable and afraid and yet you think its okay for a marches to take place two days later? It says a lot about you as a person that you'd think thats ok....

ThatCyanCat · 03/10/2025 20:15

Oh good God, nobody who cares about the Palestinians should give any thought to the Fuckwit Flotilla. They refused all offers to transfer their smidgen of aid into Gaza properly, including one from the Pope. They knew they'd be intercepted, that was the point, so they could claim all sorts of brutality. If they had reached Gaza there's only one port and it couldn't accommodate them so they'd have no way of docking, they had no logistical plan for distributing the tiny amount of aid they had and no way of refuelling for the return journey. They didn't even try to keep it secret, it was selfies and social media all the way. Their every intention was to be intercepted, cry brutality and get sent home. If the cost of the stunt had all gone to the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation or they had volunteered with it, it would have done some good. This was self promotion and nothing more.

If you care about the Gazans, ignore the flotilla and call on Hamas to accept the peace deal. THAT is what will end the killing. And even if things aren't perfect after, we can work on making further changes. But if an end to the war and Hamas control aren't the priorities, what is?

Verv · 03/10/2025 20:17

I’m going to say this, again.

It is not a genocide.

Less than 3% of the population of Gaza has been injured or killed.
The population has increased since the war began.

The genocide of the Jews, in comparison, killed 2 out of 3 in Europe.
Thats what led to the creation of the Jewish state, but of course we know that, which is why genocide is so wonderfully inflammatory.

The war in Syria, which is ongoing, has killed half a million, most recently with the targeted humiliation and massacre of the Druze.
Christians are being massacred in Nigeria.
The world is a mess and people are dying across Africa and the Middle East - no protests, absolute crickets because it’s not “genocide” that most of the PP lot despise, it’s Israel.

If Israel’s intention was genocide - they have the firepower to do it very quickly and very successfully.

The fact that they are still leafleting areas that they intend to enter and clear (of Hamas) indicates that they are not targeting civilians. But of course, when they leaflet drop asking people to move to a place of safety that’s “displacement” - eye roll.

Acres of aid in Gaza that Israel let in was left to sit and rot because the UN refused to deliver it.
The GHF have now taken over and it’s being dispersed - do genocidal countries usually feed and water their enemies?
Seems counterintuitive.

Images of “starving children” have been manipulated. Largely by photographing children with genetic defects and other health issues while their well nourished siblings are out of frame. Or simply by staging them with empty bowls for the cameras. Both manipulations have been exposed.

The stats coming from Gaza are coming from its ministry of health - Hamas.

Israels calculations are a 2:1 combatant to civilian ratio, which isn’t bad for war, but of course, they can’t be believed because israel bad and Hamas honest.

Hamas themselves are indicating that this is not a genocide as they persistently hide behind human shields and in schools and hospitals - human shields don’t deter the genocidal.

Women and children are the biggest non Hamas casualties - because when it comes to the dispersal of aid - they are at the bottom of the list.
If you look at any of the men, apart from the skeletal Israeli hostages being made to dig their own graves on camera, on any of the videos coming out of Gaza - they’re fed.

It is the choice of Hamas to feed their fighters and screw their civilians.

Before I get “well the UN says” - the UN has a long history of being anti Israel. The UNWRA buildings in Gaza had tunnels below them, and members of Hamas were in the employ of UNWRA.
They are political. As are WHO.
The British government, on the other hand, concluded no sign of genocide - but let’s ignore that because it doesn’t suit the entirely predictable narrative.

Hamas started this war when they butchered and raped at nova.
They have been told umpteen times how to end it - lay down arms and release the hostages but their charter literally calls for them to eradicate the Jews, at any cost, and to not stop until they are gone.

That is true genocidal intent, and that is what each and every single member of the pro pal mob are supporting “from the river to the sea”

And no, there’s no difference between Mr Jihadi parachuting his way into Nova to kill Jews and mr Jihadi in Manchester attacking a synagogue.
Same ideology, same religion, same genuinely genocidal belief system and with a father who celebrated the massacre, and not one of you will pause your “free speech” to consider what your free speech is doing.

Hell mend anybody that marches with an England flag though eh? Racisssssts.

I assume this post might have a higher chance of remaining in situ, mumsnet, given that I haven’t called anybody a moron for chanting for the destruction of the Jewish state this time.

Willyoujustbequiet · 03/10/2025 20:18

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2025 20:00

It is radical when it manifests itself into the hatred we saw on the marches yesterday. People openly shouting that they didn't give a fuck that Jews had died. People are beyond fed up of these tedious marches every weekend. They achieve nothing but division and intimidation. Awful people who hate the UK. Why are they here!?

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Exactly. Its blatant and yet idiots will still try and defend it/deny it.

They are that stupid they can't see all they are doing is giving Robinson and his ilk all the ammunition they need.

MolliesMum2 · 03/10/2025 20:19

I am so tired of seeing all the posts about “lefties”. I am not a leftie, but I am opposing the genocide in Gaza. You don’t have to be left wing to see what’s going on.

TheCheekyCyanHelper · 03/10/2025 20:19

Verv · 03/10/2025 20:17

I’m going to say this, again.

It is not a genocide.

Less than 3% of the population of Gaza has been injured or killed.
The population has increased since the war began.

The genocide of the Jews, in comparison, killed 2 out of 3 in Europe.
Thats what led to the creation of the Jewish state, but of course we know that, which is why genocide is so wonderfully inflammatory.

The war in Syria, which is ongoing, has killed half a million, most recently with the targeted humiliation and massacre of the Druze.
Christians are being massacred in Nigeria.
The world is a mess and people are dying across Africa and the Middle East - no protests, absolute crickets because it’s not “genocide” that most of the PP lot despise, it’s Israel.

If Israel’s intention was genocide - they have the firepower to do it very quickly and very successfully.

The fact that they are still leafleting areas that they intend to enter and clear (of Hamas) indicates that they are not targeting civilians. But of course, when they leaflet drop asking people to move to a place of safety that’s “displacement” - eye roll.

Acres of aid in Gaza that Israel let in was left to sit and rot because the UN refused to deliver it.
The GHF have now taken over and it’s being dispersed - do genocidal countries usually feed and water their enemies?
Seems counterintuitive.

Images of “starving children” have been manipulated. Largely by photographing children with genetic defects and other health issues while their well nourished siblings are out of frame. Or simply by staging them with empty bowls for the cameras. Both manipulations have been exposed.

The stats coming from Gaza are coming from its ministry of health - Hamas.

Israels calculations are a 2:1 combatant to civilian ratio, which isn’t bad for war, but of course, they can’t be believed because israel bad and Hamas honest.

Hamas themselves are indicating that this is not a genocide as they persistently hide behind human shields and in schools and hospitals - human shields don’t deter the genocidal.

Women and children are the biggest non Hamas casualties - because when it comes to the dispersal of aid - they are at the bottom of the list.
If you look at any of the men, apart from the skeletal Israeli hostages being made to dig their own graves on camera, on any of the videos coming out of Gaza - they’re fed.

It is the choice of Hamas to feed their fighters and screw their civilians.

Before I get “well the UN says” - the UN has a long history of being anti Israel. The UNWRA buildings in Gaza had tunnels below them, and members of Hamas were in the employ of UNWRA.
They are political. As are WHO.
The British government, on the other hand, concluded no sign of genocide - but let’s ignore that because it doesn’t suit the entirely predictable narrative.

Hamas started this war when they butchered and raped at nova.
They have been told umpteen times how to end it - lay down arms and release the hostages but their charter literally calls for them to eradicate the Jews, at any cost, and to not stop until they are gone.

That is true genocidal intent, and that is what each and every single member of the pro pal mob are supporting “from the river to the sea”

And no, there’s no difference between Mr Jihadi parachuting his way into Nova to kill Jews and mr Jihadi in Manchester attacking a synagogue.
Same ideology, same religion, same genuinely genocidal belief system and with a father who celebrated the massacre, and not one of you will pause your “free speech” to consider what your free speech is doing.

Hell mend anybody that marches with an England flag though eh? Racisssssts.

I assume this post might have a higher chance of remaining in situ, mumsnet, given that I haven’t called anybody a moron for chanting for the destruction of the Jewish state this time.

If you actually believe this, you are gullible as f
...

Anyahyacinth · 03/10/2025 20:20

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Justagirl95 · 03/10/2025 20:22

Verv · 03/10/2025 20:17

I’m going to say this, again.

It is not a genocide.

Less than 3% of the population of Gaza has been injured or killed.
The population has increased since the war began.

The genocide of the Jews, in comparison, killed 2 out of 3 in Europe.
Thats what led to the creation of the Jewish state, but of course we know that, which is why genocide is so wonderfully inflammatory.

The war in Syria, which is ongoing, has killed half a million, most recently with the targeted humiliation and massacre of the Druze.
Christians are being massacred in Nigeria.
The world is a mess and people are dying across Africa and the Middle East - no protests, absolute crickets because it’s not “genocide” that most of the PP lot despise, it’s Israel.

If Israel’s intention was genocide - they have the firepower to do it very quickly and very successfully.

The fact that they are still leafleting areas that they intend to enter and clear (of Hamas) indicates that they are not targeting civilians. But of course, when they leaflet drop asking people to move to a place of safety that’s “displacement” - eye roll.

Acres of aid in Gaza that Israel let in was left to sit and rot because the UN refused to deliver it.
The GHF have now taken over and it’s being dispersed - do genocidal countries usually feed and water their enemies?
Seems counterintuitive.

Images of “starving children” have been manipulated. Largely by photographing children with genetic defects and other health issues while their well nourished siblings are out of frame. Or simply by staging them with empty bowls for the cameras. Both manipulations have been exposed.

The stats coming from Gaza are coming from its ministry of health - Hamas.

Israels calculations are a 2:1 combatant to civilian ratio, which isn’t bad for war, but of course, they can’t be believed because israel bad and Hamas honest.

Hamas themselves are indicating that this is not a genocide as they persistently hide behind human shields and in schools and hospitals - human shields don’t deter the genocidal.

Women and children are the biggest non Hamas casualties - because when it comes to the dispersal of aid - they are at the bottom of the list.
If you look at any of the men, apart from the skeletal Israeli hostages being made to dig their own graves on camera, on any of the videos coming out of Gaza - they’re fed.

It is the choice of Hamas to feed their fighters and screw their civilians.

Before I get “well the UN says” - the UN has a long history of being anti Israel. The UNWRA buildings in Gaza had tunnels below them, and members of Hamas were in the employ of UNWRA.
They are political. As are WHO.
The British government, on the other hand, concluded no sign of genocide - but let’s ignore that because it doesn’t suit the entirely predictable narrative.

Hamas started this war when they butchered and raped at nova.
They have been told umpteen times how to end it - lay down arms and release the hostages but their charter literally calls for them to eradicate the Jews, at any cost, and to not stop until they are gone.

That is true genocidal intent, and that is what each and every single member of the pro pal mob are supporting “from the river to the sea”

And no, there’s no difference between Mr Jihadi parachuting his way into Nova to kill Jews and mr Jihadi in Manchester attacking a synagogue.
Same ideology, same religion, same genuinely genocidal belief system and with a father who celebrated the massacre, and not one of you will pause your “free speech” to consider what your free speech is doing.

Hell mend anybody that marches with an England flag though eh? Racisssssts.

I assume this post might have a higher chance of remaining in situ, mumsnet, given that I haven’t called anybody a moron for chanting for the destruction of the Jewish state this time.

Can you cite your sources please?

Anyahyacinth · 03/10/2025 20:22

Greenmouldycheese · 03/10/2025 20:11

Yeah and nigel farrage must be basing his speeches off propaganda too? Even shabana Mahmood has said she is disappointed with the celebrations but they must be wrong because pretend Dr Prunes on mumsnet says it's propaganda. Seriously, the lack of intelligence is shocking. Bye.

Same source as the swan suppers I guess 🤷‍♀️

N4ish · 03/10/2025 20:22

Glistening · 03/10/2025 20:03

Omg this! Can these anti-march posters all be real do you think? So many seem to have very extreme views of the kind that I wouldn’t really expect to see on a milquetoast forum like this. Or am I in a bubble and this level of authoritarianism is mainstream now?

Agree, some of the responses are terrifying. People saying anyone protesting should be rounded up by the army!

cassandre · 03/10/2025 20:24

If Israel commits to stop murdering Palestinians over the weekend, I'll happily commit to suspend my attendance at pro-Palestinian protests.

miserableandworried · 03/10/2025 20:24

TheCheekyCyanHelper · 03/10/2025 20:09

Israel is the terrorist. They've been committing genocide since 1949. They're just finally getting called out. How many innocent people in Gaza were bombed that day?

Theyre not very good at then are they? Considering they’ve been at it for 76 years, apparently.

And calling people a Zionist is not an insult. A Zionist is someone who believes Jews should have a home land, like all other races have.

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