Please no pro Palestine marches tomorrow

[NototerrorismIntheUK]

The police and others have called out in the hope that there will be no pro Palestine marches tomorrow. They are stretched and say it will divert resources from trying to protect the Jewish people following the terrorist attack yesterday.

I agree. No march tomorrow AIBU?

what happened yesterday is no reason to stop any protests relating to Palestine.

Anyone with an inch of humanity & compassion should not stop being vocal about their opinions on the genocide until it stops!

I'm a bit confused too. So you don't actually know any Jews except for the mum of a "football playing" Jewish child and some nodding acquaintances while walking. How is it that you're equipped to talk about what "our Jewish community" feels or doesn't feel?

Anyone demonstrating for an end to war is a nasty antisemite? That’s an interesting take.

There is the offer of a peace deal, or did you miss that small detail? Why aren’t you getting behind that?

I agree.

I don’t think the anti-Semitic terrorist attack in Manchester changes the reason for the marches, which are a request for our government to stop facilitating / abetting the genocide being carried out by the state of Israel.

It’s possible to condemn the anti-Semitic terrorist attack, and still want the genocide of Palestinians to be halted. The Jewish people killed in Manchester and their loved ones deserve sympathy and outrage. But that doesn’t make it unacceptable to protest thousands of dead Gazan children.

It’s possible to condemn all of these: anti-Semitic violence, the killing of Palestinians, the actions of the Israeli government, and the actions of Hamas.

In all of this, the ordinary Palestinians and ordinary Jewish people are the ones who suffer as tyrannical leaders keep murdering people in the name of religion.

Hopefully someone who’d understand and respect the request to not protest for ONE weekend.

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Its speaks volumes as to their character. Their antisemitism will be well and truly unmasked.

Except that it will take considerable policing resource at a time when then are credible threats to the Jewosh community and those resources might - just this once - be better served protectinf that community?

Or they simply make use of their right of peaceful protest & freedom of speech.

I think what the Isreali govt is doing in Gaza is genocide. I also think that the attack in Manchester is abhorrent.

That's where I stand

He’s old fashioned? I think you mean he’s bigot.

Bigotry, misogyny and terrotist sympathising are not compatible values with the west.

The numbers you have linked have opened my eyes to how much of this is actually now ingrained in Britain. I had no idea the numbers were so, so high. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.

This is out and out Islamophobia

Judaism is a religion, but being Jewish is an ethnicity. Judaism is considered an ethno-religion—one that encompasses both cultural and ancestral identity. Jews have historically been targeted not because of their religious practices, but because of their ethnicity. During the Holocaust, Jews who had assimilated—those who were baptised, had Christian surnames, and spoke (European language of your choice) as their first language —were persecuted just as ruthlessly as devout Jews who spoke Yiddish as their primary language and lived in closed Jewish communities. Antisemitism as we know today and the creation of this term itself was an attempt to rationalise religiously reasoned Jew-hatred into modern (pseudo) 'scientific' ideology. Skulls were measured, and 'hooked noses' are still a feature 'anti zionists' love to point out.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

There is an offer on the table to stop the war. Its on hamas to accept. Why arent people marching for this to happen? I haven't seen any pro Palestine people say that the deal should be accepted, its actually the opposite. Strange type of "genocide" where the chance to stop it is being actively rejected by those in power, and their supporters.

They could always stop arresting pensioners holding up signs and look for actual terrorists

I'm happy to believe they don't think themselves anti-semitic.

But I don't see the marches wanting a just peace.

I see "stop the genocide" placards.
I don't see "release the hostages" placards. Not one.
I don't see "Hamas, lay down your weapons" placards. Not one.

So I must assume they just want Israel to stop and would then be happy with the status quo of a military Hamas, and Jewish hostages still in captivity, tortured, starver, and dying.

If you do that, then you seem to be quite happy for Jews to continue to die.

And I can't find any way to spin that as "not anti-semitic".

I cannot understand anyone who has the compassion to think the current horrors in Gaza are unacceptable, to then be devoid of compassion for the hostages, or devoid of the understanding that Hamas have wreaked this havoc on its own population to win a propoganda war. For that is what this is - Hamas invited the destruction of its own population as an acceptable price to pay for international recognition.

The only people rocking up tomorrow aren’t looking for ‘peace’ or an end to the ‘genocide’. They will be going to cause serious trouble and violence. If that is you, good luck.

Fucks sake get a bloody grip the lot of you!

Yesterday’s attack was horrific - nobody with a conscience is going to say otherwise. It was a sickening attack on the Jewish community.
At the same time people are right and well within their rights to utterly condemn what is going on in Gaza just now. Israel has acted appallingly on numerous occasions. As have Hamas.
Trump is now threatening to unleash “all hell” on Hamas and no doubt on Gaza too.

People have every right to protest Israel’s actions. And the fact that we the UK are enabling it to happen.
Shutting down free speech is not ok even if you don’t like what the other side are saying.
The Jewish community equally have every right to feel safe in this country. They are not responsible for the Israeli government’s actions and should not be treated as such.
Nor should Muslims be treated as responsible for the actions of Hamas.

We are living in a hugely divided world just now. Arguments and divisions like we see on this thread do not help. We don’t have to pick sides. We don’t have to condemn one another. It does nothing constructive.

You were praising the father. Do you agree with his words about the October 7th attacks 7th attacks?

No all they'll be doing is spreading hate and division and demonstrating an appalling lack of empathy.

Shooting themselves in the foot as their cause will lose supporters and fuel the far right.

Only the ignorant and racist will march.

I don't think it does any good to anyone to automatically connect Jews in the United Kingdom with what Israel is doing. The murderer who killed them did this, and it's clearly ridiculous for him to have said "this is what they get for killing our children" to Jews in Heaton Park. Jews are not Israeli by default and conflating the two groups is a lazy way of being anti-semitic, to blame Jews in general for what Israel is doing.

There are Jews, and Israelis, who abhor what Israel is doing.

For this reason, protesting genocide against Palestinians (who are not the same group as Hamas) isn't by default anti-semitic. When I protest, I am speaking against the actions of the Israeli government, not Jewish people. I am speaking up for civilians being murdered, not terrorists.

We need to move beyond crudely grouping people together, as if there are two neat groups and you're either one or the other.

One has nothing to do with the other. One extremist has carried out a terrorist attack, but what’s happening in Gaza is longstanding and still needs to be talked about

Why are they ignorant and racist?

You realise that Judaism isn't just a religion, it's an ethnicity, a race. As a woman, born to a Jewish mother, whose was also born to a Jewish mother, I am Jewish irregardless of if I go to shul, observe or believe in G-d. Sure, you could get rid of the religious aspect (and all religions full stop). But there will always be Jews.