Please no pro Palestine marches tomorrow

[NototerrorismIntheUK]

The police and others have called out in the hope that there will be no pro Palestine marches tomorrow. They are stretched and say it will divert resources from trying to protect the Jewish people following the terrorist attack yesterday.

I agree. No march tomorrow AIBU?

You’ve used many words but said nothing concrete.
Was it true that the people on the flotilla had a choice—either to enter an Israeli port or turn back? Yes, it was.
Would you care to explain what is supposed to happen to Jews once the slogan “From the river to the sea” is fulfilled? Do you even know which river and which sea that refers to?
As I suspected, you have no real understanding of the history of this region. Jews had a kingdom there long before the British Crown even existed. Arabs arrived during a conquest as part of the unification and spread of Islam. People like you often say, “History didn’t start yesterday.” True—but it also didn’t begin with British colonisation.
All this talk about “weaponised antisemitism” and Holocaust inversion is just disgusting.

I am not denying their Jewishness. I am denying your attempt to hide behind a tiny fringe group, when the majority of Jews in the UK feel afraid and fearful of the rhetoric on these marches.

Have you taken a moment to think how vulnerable and afraid Jewish people are feeling right now? Do you care? Would it kill you to hold off on marching for one weekend and shouting ‘globalise the intifada’ and ‘kill the Zionists’. I believe in a 2 state solution, so am therefore a Zionist, which apparently makes it okay for me to be murdered.

Let’s be real, your marching isn’t making a single jot of difference to Israel, so why not have a day off and show a bit of respect for your Jewish neighbours who have just faced the worst anti-Semitic terror attack on UK soil in living memory?

All this sort of behaviour does is stoke division further. I cannot fathom why ANYONE would want that!

To stoke division further.

@ZamaZama feel free to report any personal attacks

This.

I'm too old and decrepit for demos these days but many friends, family and colleagues have been on these marches. Not one of them is anti-Semitic, but they're all opposed to the near-obliteration of Gaza, the genocide and starvation.

Well, yes, quite. But why!? What does it achieve? Absolutely sod all. We are better than this. We MUST be better than this!

This! 👏👏

Has that particular poster said other things that give you reason to confidently assert (well, imply) that there’s more to what she said?

@ZamaZama it was completely clear to me what they were doing.

What does it achieve?

Exactly what it wants to achieve.

Which doesn't appear to be acceptance of the peace deal.

Yep this....

Both events are awful. But there has been a 2 year long genocide happening.

I agreeing promoting peace for all would be the right message to go with but I dont blame people who still to be protesting about the mass slaughter happening in Gaza

From one of my Jewish friends today

"British Jews don't drive cars into civilians or police before getting out to stab them.
British Jews don't blow ourselves up on the London Underground.
British Jews don't detonate ourselves on Central
London buses.
British Jews don't strap knives to our wrists and rampage through London's markets massacring revellers.
British Jews don't hack British soldiers head's off on our streets.
British Jews don't drive Jeeps loaded with propane canisters into Glasgow Airport.
British Jews don't stab people at Victoria station while shouting Jewish slogans.
British Jews don't stab multiple people in Forbury Gardens while shouting "God is Great"
British Jews don't stab MPs during constituency surgeries.
British Jews don't detonate homemade bombs in taxis near Women's Hospitals.
Our marches wave Union flags.
We say a prayer for the King and Royal Family in our sabbath services and religious festivals.
We sing God Save The King at our weddings, bar and bat mitzvahs.
UK society has been gaslit.
You're looking in the wrong direction."

How many matches have you been on about genocide in Nigeria, or Sudan, or Rwanda back in the day?

Were they out expressing their feelings about Darfur, Myanmar and the Uyghurs? No, they weren't. Funny that, isn't it?

But nobody is protesting against British Jews? They’re protesting our government supporting a genocide

As mentioned, there are protesters making hissing sounds to mimic gas chambers at Jews on pro Palestine marches

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5409720-my-son-has-gone-on-the-march?reply=147112294&utm_campaign=reply&utm_medium=share

If Zionism really is imperialism, does that mean when Israel finally ceases to exist (river to the sea and all that) that these " European" migrants in Israel will be accepted back in their original homelands of Europe (1st pogrom of Jews in York in 12th c), north Africa and west Asia? Refugees are welcome and all that.

Or will they just.... Go away somewhere?

And Sadiq Khan has refused to - though TBH I'd expect nothing else from him

Good luck expecting the worst of the screamers and spitters to take any noticfe though ... some of these people are so consumed with their manic ideology that normal human thought escapes them

You have the right to protest and I have the right to judge you for when you choose to exercise it

Because the first March that sprang up in the UK was on October 7th, before Israel had done anything to respond to Hamas’s attack. The marches began by celebrating the heinous attack on our friends and family in Israel. Over half of the worlds Jewish population live in Israel, so almost all Jews will have people that they care about living there, as we’re a tiny and tight knit community (only 10 million in the world).

We also are deeply fearful of the chants. ‘From the river to the sea’ is a call for the total destruction of Israel, which will mean the ethnic cleansing and massacre of all of our people there. Many of our people who escaped there following the Holocaust and the Farhud (forced expulsion of Jews from Arab countries). ‘Globalise the intifada’ is a call for violence against our people. The second intifada in Israel was a time of bus bombings and stabbings of people in cafes and schools and supermarkets. People are calling for this to happen again, not just in Israel, but globalised around the world.

Then there are the many anti-Semitic signs we see at protests of the ‘hook-nosed Jew’ and Holocaust inversion etc.

If these marches were genuinely and exclusively calling for peace, then I would join every single week. But I believe in a 2 state solution, so that makes me the ‘Zionist enemy’ that deserves violence according to many who attend.

Exactly. Sometimes I wonder if these Jewish protestors from tiny Jewish communities that are being taken ownership of so blithely by the "I vaguely know some Jewish people and they're all conveniently anti-Zionist" contingent are joining the protests because they know they'll be targeted if they don't appease. I'm sure they could convince themselves they're doing the right thing when they're basically hugely outnumbered in a hostile environment.

Well 91% of Britiish Jews consider themselves Zionists.
Which means, by the actual definition that they believe in the right for the state of Israel to exist.
& the hate marches are full of vile rhetoric about Zionists so I'm sure you can figure out why Jews might find them full of hate & antisemitism!

So the correct response to this awful antisemitic attack is to send out a long list implying that Jews, unlike Muslims, are not terrorists?
And that is not goady or designed to inflame tensions in any way?

I’m not aware of dancing. There’s nothing in the news.
The demos in Brighton were in protest of the Israeli forces arresting those on the humanitarian Flotilla boats.

Brighton also has an installation of children’s shoes marking all those killed
Nothing to do with the attack on the synagogue

They are two separate issues. To state otherwise would be to conflate British Jews with the Israeli government. To assume that British Jews are somehow responsible for the actions of the Israeli government.

I have seen people put forward the argument "that it is inevitable" that an attack on a synagogue in the UK would happen because of Gaza. I assume this is because the so called "hate marches" are assumed to be about hatred of jews- antisemitism, and not about protesting against an ongoing genocide.

I am politically ultra left and I have not gone on one single protest. Not because I am unconcerned for the plight of the Palestinians. I have been very concerned and active in my support for Palestine for the last 20 years. But I refuse to keep bad company, I will not march alongside many of these protesters. Antisemitism has bubbled under the surface in Europe for 100s of years, and these protests and much of the rhetoric on SM has encouraged this to the surface. Its barely disguised.

However, I feel that if Jewish people and their communities request that the protests are stopped this weekend as a sign of respect it plays into the hands of the antisemites amongst the "liberal" (make no mistake they are not left) protesters, and Muslim protesters because it is as good as suggesting that the Jewish community are more concerned with the death of two of their own number rather than the death of 70,000 Palestinians. If this is the case then the claim that the only Jewish state is the state of the jews, that all Jews are Israelis seem true to those antisemites. My intuition is to allow the protests this weekend.

They are not hate marches

Unless people believe protests calling for the end of war and the end of a genocide is hate.
That is a disgrace

I shall be protesting in support of Palestine and we must make sure marchers are not demonised including muslims on the march

Once again people often tar muslims with the same negative brush. Classic egs are that the muslim community have negative views towards gay people but only 50% do.

We also hear that muslims have negative connotations with male dominance but only 39 % of British muslims think wives should always obey their husband. Despite this once again we are continually told by the far right that women are oppressed, but in reality it is only a relatively small percentage and it is the typical lies perpetuated by the daily fail.

Educate yourselves and don't fall into prejudice or bigotry. What I would say is any marches should be kept away from the area where the tragedy occurred yesterday out of respect for the dead. My thoughts go out to those of all religions as human life is precious

www.ibtimes.co.uk/more-50-british-muslims-back-criminalising-homosexuality-icm-poll-reveals-1554126