Starmer thinks I am an enemy of the state

[Bumblebee72]

So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

Who would have thought it, a middle class British worker, now an enemy in the country I was born. And they say Reform is the party of Fascists. Yet we also now have the Home Secretary saying "In solving this crisis, you may not always like what I do. We will have to question some of the assumptions and legal constraints that have lasted for a generation and more". Maybe the Home Secretary too will be deemed an enemy of the state.

Am I being unreasonable to think this should be seen as a rallying cry to get this Government out at the first opportunity.

So we have it Starmer has declared at conference because I support Reform I am now an enemy of his Government.

So the Daily Mail, Telegraph, or Express etc have told you he did I expect? And you’ve swallowed it hook line and sinker.

"I can do, say and act however I like"

"What do you mean 'consequences'...?"

I can't see how anyone can see what is happening in America right now and think "ooh I want a bit of that" It's very odd.

ks didn't and he was careful how he worded his speech, he said behaviour rather than the person in what was said - there is a difference

I will vote Reform. It's interesting that membership of Reform, according to their membership tracker went up several hundred after Starmer's speech.
I watched it go up as it's live.
Starmer is desperate . He's cornered and, with luck well and truly finished.
And yes I do agree with Reform's policies.
They will cut the benefit bill which most people agree is unsustainable . And they'll sort the NHS and if that means privatising some of it or charging for some sevices then I support that.
And, importantly they will leave the ECHR and deport illegal immigrants

So dramatic!

you are not an enemy of the state.
but you do sound like a racist, blaming immigrants for all the problems.
So fragile - you can’t take being called out?

Thousands of people have joined Reform since yesterday so at this point, Starmer is simply handing it to them/us on a plate.

The election can’t come soon enough but I suspect Starmer will do his best to a)delay an election of b) try and fix the result

Have they now?

So what Reform policies do you like the best? And how will they improve the country?

Britain should be closed for a while, whilst it gets its house in order. If you have a British passport, you are British, end of. If you don't, then sorry, but you are here as a guest and you may not be able to stay unless you have a solid case. TBH we should just let everyone who is here now stay, and just draw a line under it for a while.

so what will you do when things close, for example, university will not function without students from abroad - of which there are around 450,000 annually paying top prices for a British uni education. Not only do they pay to go to uni they live and pay into the economy with rents and foods, going out eating and drinking etc

Wouldn’t put it past reform to sit on the new applications for a while so that it looks good when they are processed

the uk is up shit creek and reform will remove all regulation on the sewage companies

edit - doesn’t look like membership is growing

https://www.reformtracker.uk/

I have actually
If you repurposed a premier Inn into hostel type accomodation what would that make it in your view?
In both cases you are talking about small, (sparsely) furnished rooms often shared with another person. The homeless hostel sector is fairly unregulated and as a result often charges high amounts (normally taken out of the person's housing benefit) for really substandard, miserable accomodation. They don't have a choice over whose room they will be sharing with. They don't have a choice over the other people on their corridor. It's miserable and costs the state a lot of money. It needs fixing. If I argued that because homeless hostels were costing the government lots of money in housing benefit it must mean the residents were living in the lap of luxury I would look stupid/unpleasant.

But I've seen Mumsnet threads where everyone agrees with an OP angry they are converting a home on her street to a children's care home so...

On the bright side - with this voting split we can keep them out

Good, I'm glad he's finally found a spine, why should Farage get to control the conversation without being called out? his is not the only opinion that matters

Where to start!

firstly, their policies on law and order. Tougher sentences and a zero tolerance approach to low level crime.

Secondly, the “nightingale” prisons

Thirdly - sending the worst of the worst abroad to prisons that a) are not as comfortable and b) cheaper for tax payers

Benefits/NHS for British people only

Scrapping the two child benefit cap

Reopening our own energy production

Zero tolerance on illegal immigrants

How much will Reform's mass deportation plan cost?

How are they going to fund all that?

Reopening our own energy production

but Nigel said the he wouldn't close them if Brexit happened, so Brexit happened and they closed - but now they are closed he is saying he will reopen them - explain how that works?

Quite a lot I would imagine - until people start getting the message that arriving here illegally will result in you being deported.

We have no tolerance on illegal immigrants already

we have our own energy production - we just don’t want to reopen stuff that will kill us or cost us a fortune in flood defences and insurance

thw two child benefit cap will go

they can’t have a zero tolerance and tougher sentencing until they raise the money to employ more police, judges and build more prisons - has that been costed and how long will it take ?

are you happy with a privatised nhs?

WE DEPORT ILLEGALS

its likely we would have a hung parliament - which could well be just as much a disaster

It’s still putting him in the headlines though. Making a conference about Reform to this extent. It could backfire.

How are they going to fund 'quite a lot'?

By illegal, I asume you mean asylum seekers. So stop the Farage Boats?
Are you happy to pay the Taliban?

Yep, as an outreach worker your description sounds about right; pretty awful places aren't they?. But c'mon now, there's no way you can compare to a hotel - the fixtures and fittings haven't been ripped out, the en suite power showers removed, the common areas boarded up, the gardens slabbed over.. the type of guests may have changed but they are still effectively hotel accommodation and a hundred times better than a hostel.

It's interesting that membership of Reform, according to their membership tracker went up several hundred after Starmer's speech.

That’s odd. It said no information was available for the last week when I looked.