Labour are lifting the 2 child benefit cap

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AIBU that this is a terrible decision?

Not specifically pro Labour - I voted for them at the last election to keep the Tories out, but would've preferred to vote Green if voting in a vacuum.

I'm not a huge fan of their employer NI policy. I really wish they had the courage to pursue a wealth tax and look properly at inheritance tax. But the active voting population sways so much older and wealthier, it's basically a no-go area for any party serious about winning an election. I'm strongly in favour of lowering the voting age to 16 and making voting in a general election mandatory so that the population is more evenly represented.

Aren't you nice.

You sum up exactly why Labour are tanking, it's the "everyone else should pay" mentality. Spending everyone else's money until it runs out. FYI socialism never works.

Maybe you should stop whinging about everything?

Paying money to women (largely) is putting money into the economy as it will go straight back out and be spent again in shops and other businesses.
Tax cuts for higher earners will be less beneficial to the economy as they will pocket them.
I have never had a penny of child benefit for any of mine as we are over the threshold but I am delighted to see this being lifted.

Because you think young people will vote Labour?
What if it turns out that 16 Yr olds are more likely to vote Reform, will you think it's a good idea then?

Why should anyone else care more than the parents of these children? You’d think they’d do the utmost to do right by these children - or is that too much to ask? They’re the ones responsible - why aren’t they the problem, instead of people who don’t relish the idea of shouldering other people’s burdens?

Hmmmm. That would be good in theory.

In practice in some communities like hell are women seeing the money. A lot of the money is sent “home”. Do you honestly imagine that the women (indeed mothers) in such communities are in charge of and managing the household income?

How have you come up with these figures? Did you use the local housing allowance rates for your postcode? It’s unlikely the allowance rates would cover a rent of £2100 but it depends on postcode. With 3 children you’d get the 3 bedroom rate.

What support would your children be entitled to at school? They wouldn’t be entitled to free school meals, that is only available for families earning less than £7400.

So much misinformation on these threads (sigh)

I think it's really important that young people are taken into account in decision making. Over the past few decades, more and more has been stripped away from them and they don't have a voice. Median age of Reform voter was mid 50s in the last election and polling shows that they continue to best with older age groups.

That was exactly the outcome of a poll by Merlin Strategy. Only 1 in 3 intend to vote and of those who do, most youngsters plan on voting reform at 33%.

Less whinging would be good and stop telling people to fuck off would be nice too.

Because that's the definition of a civilised society - when someone is falling through the gaps (even if it's because their parents are total shits), you help them.

Brilliant, because I really want to have to pay more tax so people can have more kids that they can't afford the ones they've already got.
Labour , you bunch of utter wankers, you have no brakes and are rushing towards the cliff edge and it's a loooong way down.

Then stop trying to gaslight me. Saying fuck off to blatant misinformation and gaslighting is completely proportionate.

All I can see on here is you whinging and attacking anyone who doesn't share your viewpoint. Pretty standard Labour supporter MO but it certainly doesn't make anyone change their mind. Think about why so many people are turning away from Labour.

which works if everyone else isn’t struggling but most are themselves and having made conscious financial decisions to limit their own families I can see why people are upset that they have to pay for other people’s as well.

It's not misinformation or gaslighting

The same poll showed that the young voters who intend to vote Reform prefer Corbyn over Starmer. That suggests that their vote is really about feeling ignored by government policy rather than left wing / right wing - it sounds like they just want CHANGE. If they were going to vote, perhaps politicians would stop screwing them over so badly and the Labour government would come up with something to win their vote.

It is both

It's neither

It is.
And round and round we go.

I don't think Corbyn and Sultana can organise a piss up in a brewery.

We do, until you tell me to fuck off again.

I get that. But there are lot of people who are NOT struggling and I don't understand why there is not more call for them to be taxed more - and particularly for wealth to be taxed as income. I don't know why we're all accepting that it's those in the middle who are already struggling who will have to help those at the bottom - why is that accepted as the only option? What are the people at the top doing?!

Corbyn or Reform for young people then. Labour wanted more votes, whoops.

Easy, stop gaslighting by telling me something I know to be true, isn't true. I have spent 2 years on this including attending the court case and being a member of the main parent group. All you've done is swallow Labour slogans.
Do not try to gaslight me.

Agreed. But I think notions of right and left politically have largely collapsed and been replaced by "status quo" versus "anything the fuck else because this is terrible." And the void in the "anything the fuck else" space can equally be filled by far right or far left who seem to offer a radical alternative that speaks to those who feel ignored. Feels like we're at a very dangerous point in politics.