Labour are lifting the 2 child benefit cap

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AIBU that this is a terrible decision?

But you're pissed off with them? Why when they pay the most tax? If it wasn't for them there would be no benefits because not enough other people pay enough tax!

Yes - this link includes the instructions. Thank you in advance for your extra contributions!

Want to pay more tax?

It's spurious because you know perfectly well that one person donating £200k to the treasury would make f all difference. It needs to be mandatory. And WEALTH needs to be taxed at the same rate as earned income.

I imagine most people prefer gift aided charitable giving so it's targeted to something you care about and you know it's not going to fund government contracts to billionaires.

Ha love the directness of that link. Yes they do. Much appreciated.

Some people would bite the hand that literally feeds them.

You do understand why tax is mandatory, don't you?!

It wasn’t intended as a gotcha. I merely answered your question. How many people restrict their hours/don’t apply for promotion, etc to reduce their tax liability? It’s the other side of the same coin, isn’t it?

If everyone who claimed to be happy to pay more tax did it though then, just based on MN sample, that would raise ££.

Of course that's only if they aren't virtue signalling about being willing to pay more. Everyone who says they want to pay more tax should put their money where their mouths are otherwise it's just performative bullshit and should be treated as such.

What on earth has that got to do with anything. Lots of posters have said they want to pay more tax. Someone asked if there was a mechanism for it, so I posted the mechanism.

Obviously I understand that tax has to be mandatory because no matter how many people say they would be happy to pay on thread, when it comes to getting their chequebook out none of them actually do.

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An absolutely idiotic decision. As others have said, it will have to paid for by increasing the taxes of working people. Why should we have to pay for feckless idiots who insist on having more and more children with no way of supporting them ?

The most favoured way of funding it is an increase in gambling tax. I imagine most people would be happy with that. I know I would.

I don’t agree with using a gambling tax to pay for people to get benefits for more than 2 children. I want a gambling tax to pay for all the other things that need paying for. How about paying down the debt, a debt that had increased ridiculously since Labour got into power.

The message should be - any more than 2 you pay for your own children.

I would always give to a charity supporting something I believe in over a voluntary tax contribution because I don't agree with the way all taxes are spent (Michelle Mone, anyone?!). So I don't think there's ever going to be a huge appetite for HMRC overpayment. But we can't always agree 100% with everything whichever government is in power is doing but do need a functioning society somehow... so that's why tax must be mandatory for people to pay it - at all wage brackets. That's how tax works. People in the 1% should be forced to pay more. Wealth should be taxed. Loopholes should be closed. The crown estate should pay corporation tax. Let's do all of that and then look at whether or not it's really necessary to squeeze people in the middle in order to support those at the bottom.

The 1% can afford to move abroad if you come after them, and are doing. So then what do you do?

You see it on the Facebook groups. People are working the minimum in order to not be called into the job centre to look for more work

If they scrap the cap and then up income tax, they are done for. It is madness. Why should people that have worked out how many children they can afford pay for someone else's bad choices? Madness. I'd scrap it altogether. If you want a holiday or a car or a child, you pay for it.

There's very little evidence that the 1% relocate when hit with a higher tax burden - they have social ties, family ties etc keeping them where they are, just like everyone else. Getting pushed out of an area for financial reasons is something that happens to poor people, not rich people.

Is it going to for a unlimited amount of children though? As I think it still should be capped as I don't think funding people having 4+ kids is fair.

I had contraception fail with my last child but i took responsibility and booked sterilisation. It is not the country's job to fund your choices.

I'm sick of successive governments happily throwing other people's money at the feckless.

The previous labour government only did well because they continued the fiscal discipline of the Major government

The feckless

Is that like the deserving v undeserving poor?

Where does that leave the children?

That’d be good. There’s a clear link below.

You say that, in my job I occasionally come across some of those 1%, certainly some of the 5%. They were all relocating either back home or Dubai for instance.

i’m stuck in the Uk until my children finish school in the next few years but although we are certainly not in the 1% my DH and I do sometimes get foreign opportunities and have always turned them down but have said we’d move once children have left home for a few years at least.

several of my work colleagues have moved to Dubai recently

so it is happening more than you think .