Labour are lifting the 2 child benefit cap

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AIBU that this is a terrible decision?

My understanding is it is keeping millions of children in poverty so very happy for my taxes to go towards reducing this

You sure? People who receive child benefit vote, and there’s a lot of them.

The vast majority of the population will have received child benefit, it wasn't even means tested when I was a dc. However this is nothing to do with child benefit

Having dc in poverty is not a good a thing & long term doesn't save money

So people on benefits can have more kids whilst working people will be paying for it. Wonderful

Working people get CB too

Ok crashing maybe a bit emotive, but all I know is I can’t afford what I used to, food prices are going up again, inflation is growing, there is no growth and Rachel doesn’t have a clue. Absolutely no clue

However having been on the receiving end at the last Labour Government, when I also couldn’t do a lot, and they broke the country, why am I surprised that are not doing well now

Precisely. Is this all Labour have to defeat Reform?? It’s a terrible look.

I receive child benefit and I wouldn’t vote for labour just because they say the will remove the cap

It is completely wrong for children to suffer. They didn’t ask to be born. But we must do more as a society to make people more responsible for their life choices. At present the state is expected to do everything.

The welfare state is supposed to be a safety net. It shouldn’t be used to top up wages because businesses won’t pay enough. It shouldn’t be used to top up rents for greedy landlords. It shouldn’t be a life style choice. What really pisses me off is those in genuine need- the sick and disabled for example- don’t get enough in benefits because too many people just take all the time and make no effort to reduce reliance on the state.

Tagged the wrong post, sorry.

It's about £292 a month UC for an extra child...not exactly enough to warrant a child in itself

There's a difference between choosing to not have another one because you've talked it thru and don't think your finances can stretch to giving all your kids the lifestyle you think they should have if you have more... extra curriculars, days out, uni costs...
And being forced to abort a child you really don't want to because you literally wouldn't be able to basically feed and clothe it.
Surely you can see that?
I don't qualify fir any benefits. I have 3 kids and if I were wealthy I'd have another. But I'm not wealthy so I've taken permanent measures to avoid pregnancy now. This is not the same at all as some women living in poverty go through.
My argument stands that having or not having children should be as much a personal choice as possible rather than something forced on people.
I made the choice not to have more because I wouldn't be able to give them the type of childhood I'd want to financially.. I was never forced to abort a child purely for financial reasons because I absolutely would not be able to meet their basic needs.
I mean even if by some miracle I fell pregnant now despite my husband having had a vasectomy and me having the implant and being nearly 40... I'd still have the option to keep the baby if I made that choice because I absolutely would have the money to at least feed and clothe them as we both have decent jobs and own a home.
It's just not the same scenario that women on benefits are in at all.

I thought the government couldn't afford this and blamed the reason on pip and the planned cuts to pip not going through?

No, people re producing whilst not in decent jobs, making good financial and contraceptive decisions and not having children in stable relationships is bringing children in poverty.

Throwing a bit more money at feckless families will entrench poverty more not less.

People will have however many children they have anwyayw. This just reduces poverty.

Not necessarily.

Working people don't get CB of one of them is over the threshold, and they are often not entitled to to UC, it's the child element of UC that will be lifted.

I'm afraid it's only going to help Reform.

People need to chill out, there is still a benefit cap. So how much do you think people will be getting extra? Not as much as you think.

Are you saying anyone with more than two children are shitty parents?

There's no statistical evidence or sociological studies that support that claim I'm afraid. Making poor families poorer doesn't somehow motivate them to escape that no.

That's far too simplistic. Obviously kids should not be in poverty but there are more targeted ways of preventing this. Child benefit is pretty much a universal benefit apart from the mega-rich. It is ridiculous that we will be providing child benefit to families with well above average household incomes. We need to find a way to help just those families in need. Wouldn't it be better to give more to those that actually need it than less but to every family that has 3 kids? Its an appalling waste of money.

Every time I think maybe I voted for the right party, they do something stupid like this, waste yet more money and open the door a little bit more for the racist scum that will vote for Farage.

It's costed by the government at £3.5 billion.

Not soon enough. How can an election be forced?

Trickle up economics works better than trickle down, money given to the most poor gets spent because it’s needed and that contributes to the economy. As long as it doesn’t all get swallowed up by payments to big organisations like electric and gas companies

I think there are better ways to spend the money to lift children out of poverty than scrapping the 2 child benefit cap. Investment in sure start etc is meant to be much more cost effective.

It’s a bold move. 65% of the UK public approve of the cap. The cost is thought to be about the same as what the proposed gambling tax will raise - a bit over £2bn.