Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Labour are lifting the 2 child benefit cap

1000 replies

PuppyKeep · 30/09/2025 18:43

AIBU that this is a terrible decision?

OP posts:
Thread gallery
16
HorsesDuvets · 30/09/2025 21:20

clipboardz · 30/09/2025 21:15

@HorsesDuvets You've lost me, I asked you how does cutting pensions and benefits help recruitment & retention in the NHS?

And you've lost me, because where did I say it would?

pilates · 30/09/2025 21:20

Bad idea - I thought we were supposed to be tightening our belts.

OonaStubbs · 30/09/2025 21:21

Having children in 2025 is a lifestyle choice. It should not be something the government pays you for doing.

EasternStandard · 30/09/2025 21:21

Gingernessy · 30/09/2025 21:17

But its not £12k a year. Its nearer to £24k just for the kids - stupid and unsustainable.
Makes me wonder if Labour want to be booted out leaving an even bigger mess than they did last time because the economy is a poison chalice for any party at the minute

Is this correct? I’m guessing so

ToodleP1P · 30/09/2025 21:21

OonaStubbs · 30/09/2025 21:21

Having children in 2025 is a lifestyle choice. It should not be something the government pays you for doing.

Birthrates are falling though.

clipboardz · 30/09/2025 21:22

@HorsesDuvets so you agree it would impact the NHS? Why is that not an issue then since the population is more reliant on it as we are ageing?

MidnightPatrol · 30/09/2025 21:22

OonaStubbs · 30/09/2025 21:21

Having children in 2025 is a lifestyle choice. It should not be something the government pays you for doing.

Another thread - but, it’s funny that the continuation of the human race has become ‘a lifestyle choice’ akin to an extravagant and unnecessary hobby.

clipboardz · 30/09/2025 21:22

Having children in 2025 is a lifestyle choice. It should not be something the government pays you for doing.

Retirement will be soon too.

Bryonyberries · 30/09/2025 21:23

Why do people think that working people who get UC top ups would waste the money on smoking/drinking etc? Most people are normal, average families doing their best by their children but just not being paid a living wage for their hard work.

Nestingbirds · 30/09/2025 21:23

ToodleP1P · 30/09/2025 21:21

Birthrates are falling though.

That’s very good news for the climate and given we are projected to have serious water shortages in the near future, a fall in the birth rate should be welcome.

OutOfDateTreacle · 30/09/2025 21:23

I would have loved a third. Stopped at two because we couldn’t afford a third.

The country can’t afford this, either.

clipboardz · 30/09/2025 21:23

@MidnightPatrol I find it such a bizarre thought process 😆

HorsesDuvets · 30/09/2025 21:24

ToodleP1P · 30/09/2025 21:21

Birthrates are falling though.

And the best way to reverse that is to incentivise people who are living off the state to have more children is it?

ToodleP1P · 30/09/2025 21:24

Nestingbirds · 30/09/2025 21:23

That’s very good news for the climate and given we are projected to have serious water shortages in the near future, a fall in the birth rate should be welcome.

But not when we have an aging population that outnumbers the younger ones who are meant to be paying tax to support the former.
If birth rates keep declining then it will just get worse and worse.

clipboardz · 30/09/2025 21:25

That’s very good news for the climate and given we are projected to have serious water shortages in the near future, a fall in the birth rate should be welcome.

Ageing populations won't be kinder to the planet. A decline in numbers is good, a shit ton of old people? not so much.

HK04 · 30/09/2025 21:25

Will make no difference but fired in a complaint to Labour Party there - disgusted that rest of us be told we need to pay more, work longer, do without or build the foundations 🙄 whilst some of those who will benefit refuse to work. Absolute disgrace.

labour.org.uk/resources/making-a-complaint/

HPFA · 30/09/2025 21:26

Keeping children in poverty does not save money.

The eventual costs in ill health and poorer educational outcomes outweigh any "savings".

clipboardz · 30/09/2025 21:26

@HorsesDuvets why do you think this policy would incentivise would reverse the birth rate?! 😆

idratherbedrawing · 30/09/2025 21:26

Can’t believe all the people dismayed at lifting this cap when it’s the key policy keeping kids in poverty. Child poverty has consequences far beyond immediate childhood, reducing it through lifting this cap will actually save the state a lot in the long run. Labour should have got rid of this terrible policy the day they returned to power, so im glad they will be doing it now

Gingernessy · 30/09/2025 21:26

ToodleP1P · 30/09/2025 21:21

Birthrates are falling though.

Probably a good thing , we're possibly the crappest species on the planet. Be good if we die out

BettysRoasties · 30/09/2025 21:26

Well I mean a falling birth rate is great for net zero no?

Do we really want the only people propping up the birth rate to be those who pop out a new bay every 4/5 years so they don’t have to work? Generational benefit claimants.

Bryonyberries · 30/09/2025 21:26

OonaStubbs · 30/09/2025 21:21

Having children in 2025 is a lifestyle choice. It should not be something the government pays you for doing.

I thought having children was the most fundamental biological point of existing. It’s the continuation of the chain of life that has been going on for billions of years! The need for children for many people is driven by biology not whether or not they have a good enough job.

clipboardz · 30/09/2025 21:27

Will make no difference but fired in a complaint to Labour Party there - disgusted that rest of us be told we need to pay more, work longer, do without or build the foundations

We will have to do this regardless of this policy comes in or not.

SkiAndTravelTheWorldWithMyDog · 30/09/2025 21:27

Finteq · 30/09/2025 18:49

I think its good.

But how she gonna finance it??????

Probably will tax M&S and Waitrose food.

BettysRoasties · 30/09/2025 21:28

idratherbedrawing · 30/09/2025 21:26

Can’t believe all the people dismayed at lifting this cap when it’s the key policy keeping kids in poverty. Child poverty has consequences far beyond immediate childhood, reducing it through lifting this cap will actually save the state a lot in the long run. Labour should have got rid of this terrible policy the day they returned to power, so im glad they will be doing it now

Because apart from a few those children will still be in poverty just with another younger sibling to add to the over crowded house.

Please create an account

To comment on this thread you need to create a Mumsnet account.

This thread is not accepting new messages.