Labour are lifting the 2 child benefit cap

[PuppyKeep]

AIBU that this is a terrible decision?

THIS IS NOT ABOUT CHILD BENEFIT.

THIS IS ABOUT UNIVERSAL CREDIT

And welcome back the families who have a new baby every time one starts school so they don’t have to find a job. 👏

How do you come to that conclusion?

@Nestingbirds

NZ and Australia are also options for most.

Both this countries give benefits to people
with dc

And Singapore is very generous to its own citizens & they give extra to large families. Presumably you don't object to the actual policy?

It’s not a race to the bottom.
im a hard working (single) parent. I earn too much to be eligible for any state help, and pay the higher CB tax charge.
i would very much have liked more kids. I’ve chosen not to have them because I can’t afford to.
it still doesn’t change my feelings.
what is unfair is that children who wouldnt have been in poverty without the policy, have grown up cold and hungry. That’s unfair.

Taxes do need to go up. Reeves should have done this at the start. We pay much less tax than many other EU countries. If you want improved services, then you need to accept paying for it.
Medium tax rates below:

Belgium
~ 52.7 %
Germany
~ 47.9 %
Austria
~ 47.2 %
France
~ 46.8 %
Italy
~ 45.1 %
Finland
~ 43.5 %
Slovenia
~ 43.3 %
Portugal
~ 42.3 %
Sweden
~ 42.1 %
Slovak Republic
~ 41.6 %
Luxembourg
~ 41.3 %
Hungary
~ 41.2 %
Latvia
~ 41.1 %
Spain
~ 40.2 %
Czechia
~ 40.2 %
Estonia
~ 39.4 %
Lithuania
~ 38.9 %
Greece
~ 38.5 %
Turkey
~ 38.4 %
Denmark
~ 36.4 %
Norway
~ 36.4 %
Netherlands
~ 35.1 %
Ireland
~ 35.1 %
Poland
~ 34.3 %
Iceland
~ 31.7 %
United Kingdom
~ 31.3 %
Switzerland
~ 23.5 %
US
~ 34.8 %

It is free to use a library and visit museums. It is free to read to your children and listen to them read. It is free to spend the weekends walking through the woods and building knowledge of our wildlife, fauna. It costs nothing to research beautiful inspirational poems and teach dc to write their own. Or to download a ballet from the ROH rather than Disney

None of this is money dependent.

No full detail yet but if it does that's £12000+ a year extra for those with 6 kids.
Why work?

I understood why it was brought it. But they should never had done it for families already born, only for future families on a cut-off date and then parents can decide if could afford to have more children or not. To take it away from larger families who (wrong or right) relied heavily on it was a bad move imo.

I would like to think a person wouldn’t think yes I’m going to have no 3 so that I get another £287 a month

Give it a go?

TBH 6 kids sounds awful and knackering anyway.

She had 3 I think and adopted some.

Yes.

For five children this could be worth up to £20,000 a year.

This is one of the few things they’ve done that I agree with.

I was in a situation where we had four children we could afford then their dad had an affair and raising on them on one wage was impossible. Tax credits and later UC have been a life line over the years and we would have massively struggled had the two child cap been in place then.

My children are now adults, youngest at college, but the other three are hard working and got full time careers, paying their taxes back into the pot.

We are a society. We should care for our vulnerable because giving children a good start means they are more likely to grow up, progress and contribute when they are adults.

No full detail yet but if it does that's £12000+ a year extra for those with 6 kids.Why work?

Plenty of reasons. I certainly won't be giving up my job and having another 4 dc for 12k a year.

tax free

But you have to deal with 5 kids too.

@BurntBroccoli the problem is that the tax burden isn't particularly equal here ie more weighted on income. And if you look at income higher earners pay tax in line with other countries. It's the lower & middle earners that pay less but the problem is so much of their income goes on housing.

Yes sure because people are queuing round the block to be teachers, nurses and care workers ... They'll be no problem in making those professions even less attractive than they are now and maintaining the numbers needed 🙄

Who pays more tax, lower middle or higher earners? Generally we are comparable on the higher earner rate.

Will you let the lower and middle know the good news? You’re up for increasing their taxes.

But these are the median tax rates. This is due to a low basic rate of tax and a sizeable tax free allowance.
I actually agree. Tax needs to increase for average earners but not at the higher rate.

@MidnightPatrol would it make you have 5 dc and give up work?

They did they released it over 9 months in advance.

This is precisely it.

For the “it’s not fair” brigade- if it’s so unfair, then even the scales and do it! Nobody’s stopping you! Go have 6 kids and claim universal credit, and enjoy your 12k a year tax free- and then come back and tell us how easy / enjoyable/ what a fun free ride it was.