Labour are lifting the 2 child benefit cap

[PuppyKeep]

AIBU that this is a terrible decision?

If you want real cash, tax actual wealth—not the £200 that keeps an 80-year-old alive in January

Wealth is assets which includes housing so some of our old are very wealthy...

The country needs funding, but taking pensions isn’t the right solution.

The triple lock should be paused.

A better approach would be for everyone to contribute by paying significantly higher taxes on everything, including food.

Increase VAT?

I fucking despair at the bollocks spouted about children living in poverty having poor outcomes and therefore giving their parents money will mean good outcomes.

Generally, shit parents = shit outcomes for children.

The fact that shit parents often also = poverty is incidental.

If Labour are going ahead with this, the money needs to come from slashing public sector costs.

Start by massively cutting public sector pensions and reducing public sector paid holidays and sickness pay to the same level as the average rate in the private sector.

I can’t see this happening. Idk how they’re paying for this, maybe borrowing.

Apologies.
But I still don’t think it’s unfair.
I will never think children being lifted out of poverty “isn’t fair”.

Children shouldn't be living in poverty but we don't want to pay for them not to live in poverty

@MrsSkylerWhite the birth rate isn't 1.6 so plenty aren't having 2 dc or any.

I don't think the government and media help by calling it the two child benefit cap, it just adds to the confusion.

I have actually lived in both, and other countries and they have an extraordinary quality of life. NZ and Australia are also options for most.

Just in case Reform voters aren’t aware and are complaining - this is one of the things that Farage will do too!

The tfr in England and Wales is 1.44

This is going to INCREASE the number of children in poverty!!!

@Gingernessy this policy isn't why you are taxed to the hilt

I agree in theory but in reality it means many households on UC will have far more expendable income than me and my DP who work in well paid jobs (certainly not six figures) and that to me seems utterly crap. Why bother going to work as a teacher all week when we cut both just cut our hours to 16 and claim universal credit for us and our 5 kids and be far better off.

It’s very unfair that working parents are making hard choices about whether or not they can afford more children. Whilst if they lift the cap, the unemployed can have more children safe in the knowledge they will automatically get a net £290 monthly income increase. What working person can say that happened when they went on maternity leave?

Kids already born suffer from the policy. I support this decision.

3 to 4 kids and that is a decent amount to some ....

Hopefully they will just keep it as is it. I work and decided to just have the two children as I couldn't afford a 3rd plus the house isn't big enough. I was on universal credit and I know you can only receive a certain amount before you are benefit capped. I'm not sure it would mean a lot more money for people as they will get capped. Councils will also have to build bigger house.

Yes he wants to increase the amount of British children. Benefits won't be extended to immigrants.

Exactly. A lot of those children in poverty are because the continued actions or lack of actions by the parents. The same attitude they put on their children’s lives and education.

Oldest child becomes the baby sitter and cleaner and cook. Responsible for getting the others up and to school. Sharing tiny amounts of food. But you know what mum/dad always has a bottle and a spliff. Children often had the latest nike trainers from the back of a lorry and someone’s stolen bike.

Because they are raised that way.

There are more deliberate poverty family’s due to parents failure than those in poverty desperately trying to dig themselves up. Those trying to dig up tend to be those who ended up there via redundancy sudden unexpected death of partner or sudden divorce.

In fact, he wants to throw out legal immigrants. So not them.

This is simply not true. 34% of people who claim UC are in any kind of work.

It is not fair that people in work have to limit their family size when people who do not work get more money for an additional child.
When we are as rich a country as people think we are we can afford to be generous. Till then we have to limit the benefits bill.

So this means uc will now pay out for 3 /4/5/6/ etc kids instead of 2

is that right ?

Agreed
And it will encourage some to do exactly that.

Yup.