Labour are lifting the 2 child benefit cap

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AIBU that this is a terrible decision?

YABU- and I was for the cap when it was first introduced, but it's now clear that it causes child poverty, without preventing some people from having unaffordably large families. Even before the cap. most people weren't having more than 2.

Dubai, Singapore, Australia, SE Asia.
I am not fleeing either. But I know a lot of people with transferable skills are.

Have you heard of Uravnilovka?

Google it. The USSR tried it.

It didn't work.

No, but working more than 40 hour weeks and making yourself out to be a martyr is a tired and done thing on here.

What a terrible plan.

We already had things in place for pregnancy resulting from rape or baby 2 actually being baby 2 and 3.

If you cannot afford three or more children at the point of creating them above circumstances removed. Then don’t create more babies.

Yes I get it not the child’s fault but feckless parents are always going to be feckless the type who would let their child live in poverty and then keep having more still won’t spend the money right.

Ah diddums for you too

It would lift 350,000 children out of poverty and mean 700,000 children are in less deep poverty.

Why bother if you can have someone pay for you, eh?

Maybe they will axe UC instead? Something has to give.

Another what?

Working 40 hours in any job should be enough to live on
Feel free to work more if you want more money.
But is should not be expected.

It’s not child benefit. It’s UC

UC covers a lot of legacy benefits.

Really? I believe that people should be able to afford their choices and not rely on the state to support those choices. I have worked full time in a demanding job all my adult life and done shift work and managed 4 kids with a husband who has worked away majority of our 33 year marriage. I returned to work full time when each babe was 12 weeks old as mat leave was not much!

Possibly would have felt the same 35 years ago. At retirement now, just no. Home and the NHS are valuable.

As long as we have an NHS, obviously.

You’re joking? Read any newspaper today. A financial crash is imminent.

@Bilbo63 like you said we have years of data. But for whatever reason stuff people read about 30 years ago has stuck in their mind and they don't realise things have moved on.

Wages would have to rise and more social housing built - many people claiming UC are working.

THIS POLICY IS ABOUT INCREASING UC FOR THOSE WITH MORE THAN TWO CHILDREN

The £ you quoted is child benefit, this is NOT subject to a 2 child cap. They are proposing to scrap the 2 child cap on Universal Credit. Roughly an extra £290 per month for each child. Generally for the unemployed or those on low earnings. I wish the news would get this across properly so you could understand why this is unfair.

(Have you been to Dubai and Singapore? The heat excludes them for me. Bloody awful)

Children shouldn't live in poverty. It's disgraceful but how on earth will it be paid for? If taxes go up then I think it's the death knell for labour. I have a sneaking suspicion that most people who are definitely on board theoretically with a reduction in child poverty will be very very pissed off by less take home pay.

But thats their parents job - not strangers who work full time for a living being taxed to the hilt.

No, not true. All that will happen is government will be able to say that families aren't living in poverty look how much we've helped!!! Meanwhile the reality is children will still live in poverty and the parents will drink/smoke/gamble spend money on themselves. These people are feckless. They won't suddenly become more responsible parents because they are given more money for free that they haven't earned. Poverty begets poverty. Benefits spent in this way doesn't change the poverty cycle.

I think it’s the end for them anyway, I think RR nov budget will be a malicious swan song

Maybe Labour are trying their utmost to be forced out??