Flag bearers, marchers- these are your (white) people…

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AIBU to think that if you attended the Unite the Kingdom rally and/or displayed English flags because Tommy Robinson told you to- the racists in the linked video are your people and you are either a racist or complicit with racism.

A black YouTuber went in disguise to the rally and had no difficulties finding racists happy to openly air their views:

My husband often hears similar comments to those in the video from ordinary local white people who feel comfortable and mistake him as one of them, but don’t realise he’s married to a brown person.

Just because you agree with the views of a racist organisation or cause on a single issue, does not make it ok to join that racist organisation or cause. In the same way believing in a free Palestine does not make it ok to join Hamas.’ Dissatisfaction with post WW1 reparations and sanctions did not make it ok for Germans to endorse the Nazi party. Anger about economic policies does not make it ok for Americans to vote Trump. If you want to join those causes over a single issue, you should admit that you are in fact a terrorist/ racist/ xenophobic.

YABU- it’s unfair to call someone racist just because they have marched with Tommy Robinson or hung flags in support of his movement

YANBU- you cannot support a racist/xenophobic movement without actually being racist/ xenophobic

My aunt is white British.
She was told to f off back to Poland in the street outside her home last week by some brown people.
Where does that sit in your rhetoric?

Yanbu op.

You can believe more than one thing as I do, I genuinely do believe Palestine should be free and we are witnessing genocide but I equally don’t want uncontrolled immigration. Those two things are opposite ends of the political spectrum so I don’t fit in your boxes unfortunately.

Also I believe I have no business telling Americans who they should vote for, if you don’t live there you have no idea what it’s like and what motives them to vote for anyone.

I know an awful lot of people with similar views to mine so I don’t think it’s as simple as racist or not racist. As for the YouTuber, he probably could have found plenty of people who didn’t share the racist views of the people he interviewed but that didn’t fit the agenda, I’ve seen videos of people from all backgrounds that attended the march but that seems to have been ignored on this particular occasion.

Shame on you! Rather than listen to the concerns of others, you jump straight to insult and insinuating they are all racist.
Do you claim everyone who attends a march in support of Palestine is antisemitic as I'm sure there would be some who hated Jews there?

You are being very unreasonable both in the views you have expressed about people who may have reasonable concerns about immigration and the way you have manipulated the poll options in order to get only the results you want.

Of course she was…

And unless you are brown, I suggest you are more specific about race otherwise it comes across like you can’t be bothered to identify which race and lump Asian, African and all ethnicities in between together. I use brown because to racists, my race doesn’t matter as long as it’s not white.

Ok - so why do you (or those with reasonable views about immigration) feel it’s OK to support the cause of a known racist, thug and criminal then? Care to explain what I’ve said that is unreasonable and why you feel the poll is manipulated?

This.

The holier than thou approach by the left is pushing more and more to reform.

Insults and shutting down discussion have become the MO, and it’s playing right into opportunist Farage’s hands.

What a shit show.

Concern about immigration does not belong to Tommy Robinson. He didn't invent it. Plenty of people (probably most) who are concerned about immigration couldn't give a flying fig what Tommy Robinson thinks, much less, "support (his) cause".

My Muslim children watched this. I don’t know how to explain to them what this is and why.

Unfortunately many people enjoy hating and being racist and currently thinking is allowing them. At least we can see them clearly and try to avoid them.

That woman who was carry knives and said she would stab people! She needs to be arrested.

...and the straight forward options "You are being unreasonable" or "You are not being unreasonable" would have been more honest, instead of branding anyone who disagrees with you as "racist" and "xenophobic".

I am not afraid of you and your disingenuous poll. You are being very unreasonable.

Typical response to call someone a liar.
I used brown because you did.
They were Asian.
Are you so bigoted that you think white people don't also suffer racist comments.

Why on earth would non-racist people who had concerns about immigration join a rally held by the founder of EDL to listen to speeches about racist conspiracy theory?!

That's so far-fetched, it doesn't make sense.

This whole post is ridiculous. There were people of all races at this event so where does this sit in your racial scale? Calling people racist does not scare people into silence anymore. People have had enough, want stronger borders and that will never be racist. I'm starting to think the 'racist' name calling is being used to dehumanized people so that the far left can inflict violence. As much as I dislike the leader of reform, I fully agree with his statement about starmer calling for violence against him by calling him 'racist'. Using the nazi/race comments as slurs is incredibly dangerous.

No it doesn’t. But that concern can be expressed through other groups and movements, without supporting Mr Robinson’s groups and movements can’t it?

This thread is specific to those supporting the flag displaying, a movement started in Birmingham by the Weoley Warriors but which gained traction because of Tommy Robinson’s support, and those attending/ supporting Tommy’s Unite the Kingdom rally.

It’s false to suggest they have nothing to do with Tommy

That comparison is wildly inaccurate. The equivalent march would be one organised by David Irving, with holocaust deniers from other countries invited to speak about Elders of Zion. Why on earth would non anti-semitic supporters of Palestine attend such an event, rather than organise a non anti-semitic demonstration??!!

What word do you use instead for the BNP, the EDL, the AfD, and the Great Replacement Theory?

Well I used brown ironically- it’s not something you should do unless you are an ethnic minority.

And actually, I do think white people can experience racist comments. But I question your story when expressed in the tone-deaf way you did. I also don’t believe racism impacts white people in the same way it does ethnic minorities - because history and the balance of racial power is important. Similar to how men do not experience the impact of sexism in the same way women do, although they can be on the receiving end of sexist comments.

Sounds ridiculous.

You're seriously posting about racism whilst saying that certain comments can only be made by ethnic minorities. If your serious about race change your thread title to the word Caucasian rather than white.

I’m not saying you can’t use it. I’m just telling you how it comes across when you as a white person used that term to suggest unspecified “brown people” were racist to your white aunt.

White, black, Asian, and mixed are accepted high-level categories for racial groups in the UK (as seen on the census). Brown doesn’t specify any race (officially or unofficially) - it just describes skin colour.

I grew up in London it was always multi ethnic and multi national. Occasional issues but not usually everyone just cracked on.

I honestly didn't realise how white other areas were til I left London (and I'm white).

I don't agree with a lot of the behaviour and the same is being done in Scotland. It definitely feels like a case of those who shout the loudest rather then the majority of people. But I feel ashamed its continuing and that people are feeling unsafe as a result of actions of the shout crowd.

You don't actually think that everyone on the march is a supporter of Tommy Robinson and his beliefs do you?

Surely you understand that many thousands of people piggybacked the date/route for a myriad of reasons but united in showing the Government the strength of feeling, that they are not happy with immigration policy/have genuine concerns at the speed/ lack of infrastructure support around immigration numbers.

So you would be wrong to say, because they were on TR's march, they are racist.

And my boss was on the march. He can't stand Tommy Robinson but he was there to let Kier Starmer know that he will never stop him flying the English flag on the streets of England!