Flag bearers, marchers- these are your (white) people…

[Dannydevitoiloveyourart]

AIBU to think that if you attended the Unite the Kingdom rally and/or displayed English flags because Tommy Robinson told you to- the racists in the linked video are your people and you are either a racist or complicit with racism.

A black YouTuber went in disguise to the rally and had no difficulties finding racists happy to openly air their views:

My husband often hears similar comments to those in the video from ordinary local white people who feel comfortable and mistake him as one of them, but don’t realise he’s married to a brown person.

Just because you agree with the views of a racist organisation or cause on a single issue, does not make it ok to join that racist organisation or cause. In the same way believing in a free Palestine does not make it ok to join Hamas.’ Dissatisfaction with post WW1 reparations and sanctions did not make it ok for Germans to endorse the Nazi party. Anger about economic policies does not make it ok for Americans to vote Trump. If you want to join those causes over a single issue, you should admit that you are in fact a terrorist/ racist/ xenophobic.

YABU- it’s unfair to call someone racist just because they have marched with Tommy Robinson or hung flags in support of his movement

YANBU- you cannot support a racist/xenophobic movement without actually being racist/ xenophobic

There is definitely a growing undercurrent of hate and anyone who looks or sounds different can be on the receiving end. I have shared this anecdote before but I do find it revealing: I was on my mobile wrapping up a conversation with a client in a language I've spent years learning and am proud to say I master at a very good level. Bus arrives and I was literally saying something to the effect of 'nice talking to you, let's catch up soon' when I sat down next to a lady in late middle age and ended the call. She jumps up looking all disgusted and says 'I can't sit next to THAT' and gestures for me to let her pass. Which I did (utterly dumbfounded though I have to admit). It can't have been my appearance as I was dressed professionally, so it can only have been that a few words in a different language did the trick. Fucking pathetic.

And that goes for racists of all colours.

Yes, so perhaps you shouldn’t be so quick to undermine or dismiss the experiences of others?

When you see the comments that those "patriots" leave on news stories like the two women or the child that drowned in the channel it's obvious that we have a lot of racists among us, it's one thing being concerned about immigration levels, it's something else to rejoice in a death, although most of them don't even understand that there are different kinds of immigrants never mind how the process works, for what it's worth I don't actually think Farage is racist, he's a complete narcissist, we're all beneath him in his eyes, Robinson on the other hand is racist scum, they are both below contempt

Tommy Robinson was a member of the BNP, a party that endorsed Nazi views, who belive white people are biologically superior. He founded the EDL, again a racist party that called for violence against Muslims, and the removal of all Muslim men from the UK. He led violent protest against Mosques in his name, he described Muslim babies as "ticking time bombs". He's an open racist.
I could go on and on and on.

Tommy Robinson is unquestionably racist but loads of the 'flag wavers' couldn't give a toss about him, don't support many of his ideas and I dare say might not have even heard of the wanker.

Reform, including Farage, are distancing themselves from him and his bovver boys too and, again I dare say, willingly do so not because of any PR.

For the many of you who don't actually watch the news, just various SM streams and MS media interpretations, Zia Yusef has brown skin. He was the bloke standing on the podium next to Farage when Reform's immigration policy was launched a few days ago.

They also said a bunch of stuff about penalising employers who prefer to recruit an immigrant rather than play their part in skilling up the existing UK workforce.

Is everyone who attended a Palestine march on board with those who displayed Nazi imagery and antisemitic placards?

At last someone with some intelligence.

I was there marching on the Anti Racist march and I can tell you what started off as calm march turned into something petrifying when we were surrounded on 3 sides by a baying crowd of right wing racists/ fascists.
The police had to kettle us to keep the crowd away. We were stuck for 4 hours with no where to go. We were mostly women and old people. I heard the racist chants thrown at us and they were vile.
So those who supported the TR march and have said it was not racist clearly didn't see the thousands that were there to cause trouble.
I know of so many people; family, friends and colleagues who were too scared to leave home that day as they were scared they would be targeted for the colour of their skin. This is what Tommy and his supporters have done to us, they don't differentiate between legal or illegal, they just want anyone who is not white out of the country.
Its sickening and yes those who marched with are Racist and they are Fascist, there are no other words for them.

That is not comparable since the Palestine Solidarity Campaign organised that march, and have a long and uncontroversial history of organising peaceful events without political or extremist affiliations. Those attending were not going with any knowledge or suspicion that neo nazis would also attend.

But everyone attending Unite the Kingdom knew it was organised by a racist and that they would be marching alongside former EDL, BNP and far right extremists.

I am so sick of mumsnet allowing posters to moan with their own brand of "nice" acceptable rascism. Bite back and you are deleted. OP you are responsible for stirring up hatred ...call me what you like I give no fucks but bear in mind us racists see you and what you are trying to stir up and dressed up is equally unsavory..vomit inducing indeed.

Completely disagree. TR (who I think is an agitator and criminal) posted in advance urging everyone to march peacefully, not to break the law - his posts were so numerous and strongly worded he was virtually begging them. And given they made 23 arrests out of 100,000 people, that’s what, 1 arrest in every 4,000 people?

You’re acting like there’s a degree of separation between the ‘real’ Palestine protestors and the Neo Nazis, whereas the Unite the Kingdom marchers are all just a homogenous Neo Nazi blob. You need to apply standards equally or not at all.

Palestine marches have been utterly hideous. Why is it only true Neo Nazism when it’s Brits marching regarding immigration?

https://news.sky.com/story/police-actively-looking-for-individuals-over-antisemitic-signs-at-pro-palestinian-march-13005665

But it’s Tommy Robinson organising it. His views, ideology and history go without saying.

You get to choose whether to support and align with TR. But you don’t get to dictate how others perceive you as a result of your political choices and alignments.

I'm getting a bit sick of this ' Left wingers pushing people towards Reform' line, just because we call a racist, a racist.

If you went on that march , or you are shinning up lampposts put cheap flags up, or shouting obscenities outside hotels, or painting roundabouts..guess what..you are either monumentally gullible and dense, or a racist..but probably both ( actually there's small third category..a grifter making money out of it).

If someone is stupid enough to vote for Reform and believe the absolute fascist garbage that comes out of Farage's mouth, simply because someone has pointed out what they are, and by association what you would be if you voted for this one issue bunch of millionaire businessmen, then you deserve no respect whatsoever.

You’ve just made my point for me.

The likelihood of finding anti-semetics within a pro Palestinian match and anti-white rhetoric within a BLM protest is also frighteningly high. Where else are we looking for bigotry?

Right ?!
If the cap fits….

👍 💯

Where is the evidence of this?

So do a lot of things Shakespeare said. Doesnt make them any less true. Perhaps it stings to hear them?

It's not "the look" of Tommy Robinson though. It's what he stands for, which is what his match stood for too.
It's not "intellectualism" to deny what is happening in front of your very eyes. Quite the opposite - ignorance perhaps.

So do a lot of things Shakespeare said. Doesnt make them any less true. Perhaps it stings to hear them?

Imagine comparing that vacuous American word salad to Shakespeare 😂

Doesn't sting me at all, but it's that kind of stuff that's swung the pendulum hard in the opposite direction.

And a very racist ring to them as well.

God this is so frustrating, people really have swallowed the bullshit the far right media and the likes of 'Ar Tommeh' have peddled.

For a start, there is no 'mass immigration ' , we take less than European countries.

We need immigrants to keep this countries services and infrastructure functioning.

What I think you're actually worried about is 'the boats' that have increased dramatically since the ridiculous Brexit and us not being in the Dublin treaty has caused. We can no longer send boats back to France, there would be serious sanctions if we tried.

The Tories had 14 years to sort it, to agree with France to build a huge asylum processing centre in France. They couldn't be arsed until it was too late, hence the bizarre 'Rwanda' plan.

Labour are trying their damndest to sort this mess out, and all people can do is read the bloody Daily Mail & Express and think grifters like Farage have an answer to an impossible question.

@Dannydevitoiloveyourart - so much anger in your posts. Did your toast dropp off your plate, butter side down, this morning?