Flag bearers, marchers- these are your (white) people…

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AIBU to think that if you attended the Unite the Kingdom rally and/or displayed English flags because Tommy Robinson told you to- the racists in the linked video are your people and you are either a racist or complicit with racism.

A black YouTuber went in disguise to the rally and had no difficulties finding racists happy to openly air their views:

My husband often hears similar comments to those in the video from ordinary local white people who feel comfortable and mistake him as one of them, but don’t realise he’s married to a brown person.

Just because you agree with the views of a racist organisation or cause on a single issue, does not make it ok to join that racist organisation or cause. In the same way believing in a free Palestine does not make it ok to join Hamas.’ Dissatisfaction with post WW1 reparations and sanctions did not make it ok for Germans to endorse the Nazi party. Anger about economic policies does not make it ok for Americans to vote Trump. If you want to join those causes over a single issue, you should admit that you are in fact a terrorist/ racist/ xenophobic.

YABU- it’s unfair to call someone racist just because they have marched with Tommy Robinson or hung flags in support of his movement

YANBU- you cannot support a racist/xenophobic movement without actually being racist/ xenophobic

Agree with this comment 100%

And rather misogynist now that I think about it.

I didn’t say specifically that at that one piece of footage there were thousands, it’s was likely many hundreds. Look at the trajectory of the bottles thrown at the police horses; they were thrown from quite a long distance back from the police line suggesting there were many more that were intent on violence than a single camera angle at ground level can show. So many hundreds in that particular clip; listen to the audio, it’s like a football match and not a couple of dozen or a few hundred or so.

You do also realise that this was one of many flash points on that march? The thugs looking for violence were at this moment also circling around the counter protesters from various different roads. The met produce a map of these flash points and there were lots of them, not just the one in this clip and at many of these officers faced confrontation and injuries. So this was just one of those flashpoints.

So yes, there were infact thousands of people at that protest intent on causing serious violence. It wasn’t the majority; I never claimed it was but I urge you to research the events of that day a bit better.

My toast was fine this morning, but my child got called the n word the other day by another child. While I’m used to racism directed at me, I’ll never be ok with the real life impact that people’s support and endorsement of Tommy Robinson & his racist movements is having on my children and other ethnic minority and immigrant children across the UK.

Does racism not anger you?

I was born in England and my parents were Malaysian Indian. I was there as were many other people of colour. There was nothing but friendly, lovely caring people. Don't tar all of us as anti white racists. That word is being flung about so much lately, it's becoming meaningless.

What were your reasons for attending?

Why does racism nit make you angry?

Do you feel that British mixed race families are safe here ?

Nope, it doesn't make me angry to the point where it consumes me.
But you are right, racism is ripe at the moment- from all communities.

But by mentioning it, having it out in the open and accuseing each other we keep it alive and well. That's what our government wants us to do. So you are right on track!

Agree

Me too.

You think not mentioning racism will make it go away? Are you honestly thinking that?

Brown people who vote Reform are sadly deluded.

Hi. I live in Surrey and have been subjected to almost constant racial harassment and also sexism since I first moved here from neighbours on both sides who also got a pub and its staff involved- inciting pub patrons to literally mob me outside my home in groups until early hours of the morning.

It has been a horrific experience. A few days after some of the abuse, and after the police investigated them and did Nothing- they got away with it all- the ones on one side put up British flags in their window and the other on the other side has been loudly talking to whoever he can in the neighbourhood that walks past as well as to a racist elderly man living two doors down how he hates foreigners and how he hates them having moved into 'their' neighbourhood. I am british, my parents grew up here- theyve heard me speak clearly in a 'glass polished' british accent as i've been told many times before- and he thinks i'm foreign.

Racist people are Cowards, they are all Super Insecure and hate themselves- thats why they're racist- to try to step on others to feel better about their sad creepy, boundaryless, loser selves. I have never even spoken to these people, yet they continue to obsess over and harass me outside my house at every opportunity they have. I have never come across such creepy, weird and evil people. I understand how regular Germans became so evil and Nazis during WW11 it is 100% hidden racism like this that makes humans capable of such evil when times like that have arisen. I hope people will start waking up to how harmful and Evil racism is and get therapy to get better from their severe mental illness at least.

But it's a bandwagon to ride on for robinson and manipulate those frustrated with their lot who will blame others easily
Also one n.farage apparently t.robinsons nemesis shares the same seat on said wagon I feel
Even if he disagrees

Most people feel that immigration has gone too far. For years TR was one of the only people willing to say so in public but that dam has burst now. Posts like the OP don't stop people expressing their vews now, thankfully.

It's that way all across Europe, US, Asia, South America. The new Chilean president has been talking about deportations. Trump has Somalians in his sights next. Claiming that they don't bring anything to the table and that there's a reason why Somalia is a shit hole.

Attitudes have definitely lurched right.

I'm just going to say this as fact
When 'white passing' eastern europeans first came to the London area I live in
Straight away they made it obvious to any black/brown person they could that they were better and preferable to the "white english britsh populace" by snide remarks laughing openly at how "black" our skins were and pointing in public whilst speaking their language, if you were in a shop queue they'd try to push in front of you
Once, at the nailbar a bulgarian used the "n" word and boy did another customer and myself give her a mouthful!
No one has ever thought about of the arrival of europeans who've never seen a black/brown person before their reactions upon seeing them then treating them as 'other'
I know of black/ brown people who have become peeved at all the undeserved snideness that's happened because I was told by a russian I'd never would be accepted and how 'english' she felt after 2/3 years here in her distinct accent
I replied I'd actually been born bred and educated in England nearly 70 years ago in my best 'posh phone voice' as she then slunk off to her chair (another nailbar incident!)
But brexit changed everything now they keep their heads down
It's rotten your aunt was insulted verbally but, and im not justifying anything they probably thought she was "european" and gave "back" to her what's being said to them numerous times