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Digital ID needs to be resisted, surely?

270 replies

Honish · 29/09/2025 20:37

There are just under 1 million illegal immigrants believed to be in Britain. The authories know who most of them are, and they are still here. Identifying them has never been the problem. We don't deport them, knowing who they are does not change this. This is one of the most breathtaking, blatant lies, made to us by our PM.

And the provider company for the digital ID, the person set make ever so many more millions than he already has, Tony Blairs son. How are people OK with this?

OP posts:
HoskinsChoice · 29/09/2025 20:50

Oooh yippee - the exact same conspiracy nonsense that we had a thread about yesterday.

Inthedark81 · 29/09/2025 20:54

HoskinsChoice · 29/09/2025 20:50

Oooh yippee - the exact same conspiracy nonsense that we had a thread about yesterday.

You can't switch people off by calling them conspiracy theorists/racist so easily anymore.

Each conspiracy theory is usually only a few months behind the truth.

mumofoneAloneandwell · 29/09/2025 20:56

Yabu.

randomchap · 29/09/2025 20:57

"Each conspiracy theory is usually only a few months behind the truth."

Do you do your own research? Research that mainly involves tik-tok, youtube, and facebook memes?

Honish · 29/09/2025 20:58

HoskinsChoice · 29/09/2025 20:50

Oooh yippee - the exact same conspiracy nonsense that we had a thread about yesterday.

Please could you explain to me which part is the conspiracy? I am confused by this comment.

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FuckOffChristmas · 29/09/2025 20:58

You are correct.
it’s not a conspiracy theory at all. I can’t quite believe the people who can’t see this for what it is.
Scary.

Inthedark81 · 29/09/2025 21:00

I am stunned that anyone is falling for this. Illegals/illegal working will still go on as they won't have digital ID just as they don't have a national insurance number or passport. Unscrupulous employers will still employ them.
Meanwhile, law abiding citizens will obediently sign up even though we don't need digital ID to solve anything that we've done, because we've done nothing wrong. It absolutely must be resisted. This is the start of something really concerning - social credit anyone? Switching off bank accounts if we do something they don't like or drive too many miles in the name of 'climate change'. Don't say you weren't warned.

OP, unfortunately you won't get a true discussion about this worrying over reach of government on Mumsnet

clipboardz · 29/09/2025 21:01

What do people think it will be used for?

Inthedark81 · 29/09/2025 21:02

randomchap · 29/09/2025 20:57

"Each conspiracy theory is usually only a few months behind the truth."

Do you do your own research? Research that mainly involves tik-tok, youtube, and facebook memes?

Yes yes of course only from Tiktok. I couldn't possibly think for myself

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 29/09/2025 21:04

The UK does not know the identities of most illegal immigrants living unlawfully in the UK, and can only make best guesses at the numbers. Having a centralized means of data tracking would likely be extremely helpful, and make the UK a far less attractive place to try and illegally work in.

Tony Blair's son (Euan) is not involved with Oracle, who are expected to have a major role.

I don't think there's much truth in your post, OP - you're probably reading BS on social media.

Inthedark81 · 29/09/2025 21:04

clipboardz · 29/09/2025 21:01

What do people think it will be used for?

Once everything is linked to digital ID (work. Oassport, driving license etc) and believe me, it will be, there is nothing they can't infiltrate with it. Starmer even said himself it will help climate change and yet people still don't believe it. They'll be able to stop us travelling, spending money, driving, working. It is extremely concerning

Inthedark81 · 29/09/2025 21:07

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 29/09/2025 21:04

The UK does not know the identities of most illegal immigrants living unlawfully in the UK, and can only make best guesses at the numbers. Having a centralized means of data tracking would likely be extremely helpful, and make the UK a far less attractive place to try and illegally work in.

Tony Blair's son (Euan) is not involved with Oracle, who are expected to have a major role.

I don't think there's much truth in your post, OP - you're probably reading BS on social media.

How would digital ID stop illegal immigrants working? The same way not having an NI number or passport stops illegal immigrants working? It will make NO difference.

Does a national ID stop them in France? No it does not.

Our government is dangerous and I have a huge amount of mistrust. 10 years ago, I probably would have thought a national ID card was a decent idea. The digital bit is incredibly worrying

Mycatmyworld · 29/09/2025 21:08

Love the way they haven’t thought about this but if everything is going on to a smart phone & it gets stolen, that’s trouble on a big scale, & as we all know everything can be hacked. By the time this is rolled out (if) tech will be more advanced.

BeeCucumber · 29/09/2025 21:11

I’m not keen on the ID issue. If only there was a database that had a list of everyone that paid tax or NI or perhaps has a passport or picture driving licence.

LaurieFairyCake · 29/09/2025 21:17

I’m fine with digital ID as plenty of European countries have them.

I wouldn’t be fine with some cunt making a load of money from this, I’m sick of croneyism like we had under the Tories.

publicly funded or FUCK OFF

clipboardz · 29/09/2025 21:21

They'll be able to stop us travelling, spending money, driving, working. It is extremely concerning

Have they done this in other countries that have them?

Why would they not want people to spend money or work?

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 29/09/2025 21:26

Inthedark81 · 29/09/2025 21:07

How would digital ID stop illegal immigrants working? The same way not having an NI number or passport stops illegal immigrants working? It will make NO difference.

Does a national ID stop them in France? No it does not.

Our government is dangerous and I have a huge amount of mistrust. 10 years ago, I probably would have thought a national ID card was a decent idea. The digital bit is incredibly worrying

I have digital ID already (I'm from the UK but live in BC, Canada) and can't say I find it terribly concerning. It's pretty convenient.

Digital ID makes fake ID documents unusable (so employers could not longer be duped, or claim to have been duped), and having centralized information (meaning someone's work history, banking history, and use of all government services are linked together) makes it much harder for someone to go undetected. It will also be linked to housing (e.g. landlords will be required to check the digital ID of a prospective tenant).

Basically, it'll mean that to successfully live in the UK without a legal right to do so, someone would need to be entirely "off the grid", as the current workarounds and information gaps will be closed off.

randomchap · 29/09/2025 21:27

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 29/09/2025 21:26

I have digital ID already (I'm from the UK but live in BC, Canada) and can't say I find it terribly concerning. It's pretty convenient.

Digital ID makes fake ID documents unusable (so employers could not longer be duped, or claim to have been duped), and having centralized information (meaning someone's work history, banking history, and use of all government services are linked together) makes it much harder for someone to go undetected. It will also be linked to housing (e.g. landlords will be required to check the digital ID of a prospective tenant).

Basically, it'll mean that to successfully live in the UK without a legal right to do so, someone would need to be entirely "off the grid", as the current workarounds and information gaps will be closed off.

Don't come in here with your facts and reasoned arguments.

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 29/09/2025 21:28

randomchap · 29/09/2025 21:27

Don't come in here with your facts and reasoned arguments.

Sorry, I meant to say that Tony Blair transgendered my hamster.

Wolmando · 29/09/2025 21:36

I shall resist, I don't need to work so won't need one anyway

mynameiscalypso · 29/09/2025 21:39

In the last 3 months, 1mn Brits have already downloaded just one of the digital ID apps on the market so they can access adult content online. I always find it strange how much furore digital ID creates when people give away their personal data all the time for free and for no benefit to themselves

logiccalls · 29/09/2025 22:01

It seems doubtful that an organised 'travel agency' bringing in staff who have paid thousands to join U.K. brothels, drug- farms, phone-snatching gangs, car washes, unofficial night-shift factory schemes etc, will be frightened at the idea they will need an official I.D.

Shortly after the Starmer landslide, a film crew and journalists were invited to attend a raid on a carwash. But as a publicity stunt, it backfired, because the owner had been raided before, had not paid the fine, knowing that our officials never bother to collect them: He had not stopped the business or changed the staff They only need two days, from deportation to return to work, and housing, as before.

Two days is also all it takes for deported, seriously violent criminals, to return to U.K., including repeatedly imprisoned and deported, obsessed, knife-carrying stalkers. Our officials don't bother to have any system to stop them.

(Our officials also don't bother to have any system to count who leaves, so anyone arriving on a brief holiday visa can remain forever, while our O.N.S. brazenly publishes 'net' immigration numbers as if they are factual.)

France officially has I.D. cards. But there are masses in France 'sans papiers'. Germany too, and after Merkel threw open her borders, and locals protested at the resulting invasion, the immigrants taunted protesters, by making street bonfires of their nice new German documents, pointing out correctly that the protesters pay for all the charities and government officials who would rush to issue new documents as fast as the incomers requested it. You or I couldn't get fake, duplicate, or genuine but falsified documents. But criminals could.

U.K. officials do not bother to exchange information on criminal records, or fingerprint details, with any other country. Nor of course do they bother to ask if anyone they are about to give 'asylum' has already been given it, or been found not to qualify for it, in some, or several, of the countries s/he has lived in, along the journey to U.K.

Discrimination against physically disabled people in U.K. is ignored. Discrimination against old people in U.K. is government policy. Old people and disabled people will be vastly disproportionately disadvantaged by being ordered to use smartphones.

They are the poorest. They are the least likely to be able to have enough manual dexterity. They are the most likely to be overwhelmed and fearful and to have nobody to teach them, repeatedly, to do something which is as alien to them as suddenly piloting a plane. They are not wrong, in being deeply suspicious of hacking and scams and potential disasters.

Outages will happen. Nation-wide, signal coverage is not complete, or of adequate strength. Hacks will happen. Criminals will obtain data. Officials will be corrupt. Power will be abused.

clipboardz · 29/09/2025 22:07

Discrimination against old people in U.K. is government policy.

What a load of rubbish

Beebeedoo · 29/09/2025 22:11

petition signed
how will these id cards stop the boats?

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 29/09/2025 22:12

logiccalls · 29/09/2025 22:01

It seems doubtful that an organised 'travel agency' bringing in staff who have paid thousands to join U.K. brothels, drug- farms, phone-snatching gangs, car washes, unofficial night-shift factory schemes etc, will be frightened at the idea they will need an official I.D.

Shortly after the Starmer landslide, a film crew and journalists were invited to attend a raid on a carwash. But as a publicity stunt, it backfired, because the owner had been raided before, had not paid the fine, knowing that our officials never bother to collect them: He had not stopped the business or changed the staff They only need two days, from deportation to return to work, and housing, as before.

Two days is also all it takes for deported, seriously violent criminals, to return to U.K., including repeatedly imprisoned and deported, obsessed, knife-carrying stalkers. Our officials don't bother to have any system to stop them.

(Our officials also don't bother to have any system to count who leaves, so anyone arriving on a brief holiday visa can remain forever, while our O.N.S. brazenly publishes 'net' immigration numbers as if they are factual.)

France officially has I.D. cards. But there are masses in France 'sans papiers'. Germany too, and after Merkel threw open her borders, and locals protested at the resulting invasion, the immigrants taunted protesters, by making street bonfires of their nice new German documents, pointing out correctly that the protesters pay for all the charities and government officials who would rush to issue new documents as fast as the incomers requested it. You or I couldn't get fake, duplicate, or genuine but falsified documents. But criminals could.

U.K. officials do not bother to exchange information on criminal records, or fingerprint details, with any other country. Nor of course do they bother to ask if anyone they are about to give 'asylum' has already been given it, or been found not to qualify for it, in some, or several, of the countries s/he has lived in, along the journey to U.K.

Discrimination against physically disabled people in U.K. is ignored. Discrimination against old people in U.K. is government policy. Old people and disabled people will be vastly disproportionately disadvantaged by being ordered to use smartphones.

They are the poorest. They are the least likely to be able to have enough manual dexterity. They are the most likely to be overwhelmed and fearful and to have nobody to teach them, repeatedly, to do something which is as alien to them as suddenly piloting a plane. They are not wrong, in being deeply suspicious of hacking and scams and potential disasters.

Outages will happen. Nation-wide, signal coverage is not complete, or of adequate strength. Hacks will happen. Criminals will obtain data. Officials will be corrupt. Power will be abused.

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U.K. officials do not bother to exchange information on criminal records, or fingerprint details, with any other country. Nor of course do they bother to ask if anyone they are about to give 'asylum' has already been given it, or been found not to qualify for it, in some of the countries s/he has lived in, along the journey to U.K.
We used to have that information (via Eurodac), but lost access when we left the EU. That's a choice we made as a country. It's not in the interests of other countries to readily share it out of altruism.

Discrimination against physically disabled people in U.K. is ignored. Discrimination against old people in U.K. is government policy. Old people and disabled people will be vastly disproportionately disadvantaged by being ordered to use smartphones. They are the poorest. They are the least likely to be able to have enough manual dexterity. They are the most likely to be overwhelmed and fearful and to have nobody to teach them, repeatedly, to do something which is as alien to them as suddenly piloting a plane. They are not wrong, in being deeply suspicious of hacking and scams and potential disasters. Power cuts will happen. Nation-wide, signal coverage is not complete, or of adequate strength.
Physical alternatives will be available. I have a physical card and my digital ID - the two are linked, so you can use one or the other.