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Digital ID needs to be resisted, surely?

270 replies

Honish · 29/09/2025 20:37

There are just under 1 million illegal immigrants believed to be in Britain. The authories know who most of them are, and they are still here. Identifying them has never been the problem. We don't deport them, knowing who they are does not change this. This is one of the most breathtaking, blatant lies, made to us by our PM.

And the provider company for the digital ID, the person set make ever so many more millions than he already has, Tony Blairs son. How are people OK with this?

OP posts:
BoredZelda · 29/09/2025 22:20

Discrimination against disabled people.

Can we stop pretending disabled people are not tech savvy.

MemorableTrenchcoat · 29/09/2025 22:20

Inthedark81 · 29/09/2025 20:54

You can't switch people off by calling them conspiracy theorists/racist so easily anymore.

Each conspiracy theory is usually only a few months behind the truth.

Yes, I can well remember when it came out that the moon landings were faked, the pyramids were constructed by aliens and the World Trade Center was demolished by the US Government.

BoredZelda · 29/09/2025 22:21

The irony of people complaining about Digital ID on the internet. You give away way more information online than you would for a Digital ID. Your Tesco Clubcard tracks you more than the Government ever would.

TheCurious0range · 29/09/2025 22:24

I'd quite like an ID card system and I'm in favour of immigration. Lots of other European countries have them

TheCurious0range · 29/09/2025 22:25

logiccalls · 29/09/2025 22:01

It seems doubtful that an organised 'travel agency' bringing in staff who have paid thousands to join U.K. brothels, drug- farms, phone-snatching gangs, car washes, unofficial night-shift factory schemes etc, will be frightened at the idea they will need an official I.D.

Shortly after the Starmer landslide, a film crew and journalists were invited to attend a raid on a carwash. But as a publicity stunt, it backfired, because the owner had been raided before, had not paid the fine, knowing that our officials never bother to collect them: He had not stopped the business or changed the staff They only need two days, from deportation to return to work, and housing, as before.

Two days is also all it takes for deported, seriously violent criminals, to return to U.K., including repeatedly imprisoned and deported, obsessed, knife-carrying stalkers. Our officials don't bother to have any system to stop them.

(Our officials also don't bother to have any system to count who leaves, so anyone arriving on a brief holiday visa can remain forever, while our O.N.S. brazenly publishes 'net' immigration numbers as if they are factual.)

France officially has I.D. cards. But there are masses in France 'sans papiers'. Germany too, and after Merkel threw open her borders, and locals protested at the resulting invasion, the immigrants taunted protesters, by making street bonfires of their nice new German documents, pointing out correctly that the protesters pay for all the charities and government officials who would rush to issue new documents as fast as the incomers requested it. You or I couldn't get fake, duplicate, or genuine but falsified documents. But criminals could.

U.K. officials do not bother to exchange information on criminal records, or fingerprint details, with any other country. Nor of course do they bother to ask if anyone they are about to give 'asylum' has already been given it, or been found not to qualify for it, in some, or several, of the countries s/he has lived in, along the journey to U.K.

Discrimination against physically disabled people in U.K. is ignored. Discrimination against old people in U.K. is government policy. Old people and disabled people will be vastly disproportionately disadvantaged by being ordered to use smartphones.

They are the poorest. They are the least likely to be able to have enough manual dexterity. They are the most likely to be overwhelmed and fearful and to have nobody to teach them, repeatedly, to do something which is as alien to them as suddenly piloting a plane. They are not wrong, in being deeply suspicious of hacking and scams and potential disasters.

Outages will happen. Nation-wide, signal coverage is not complete, or of adequate strength. Hacks will happen. Criminals will obtain data. Officials will be corrupt. Power will be abused.

Edited

I do Interpol checks quite regularly at work so you're not accurate there.

Beebeedoo · 29/09/2025 22:27

TheCurious0range · 29/09/2025 22:24

I'd quite like an ID card system and I'm in favour of immigration. Lots of other European countries have them

no they dont

176509user · 29/09/2025 22:28

Surely we already have digital ID in the form of passport ? I don’t see that there is any big deal with this although I don’t believe it will stop illegal working. They get paid cash in hand so how will digital ID prevent that ?

Edit to add, the phones we use have facial and fingerprint recognition. We’re giving our person identifying data away every day anyway.
I’m dual national and have an ID card for many years. No big deal.

GoInFor · 29/09/2025 22:29

Honish · 29/09/2025 20:37

There are just under 1 million illegal immigrants believed to be in Britain. The authories know who most of them are, and they are still here. Identifying them has never been the problem. We don't deport them, knowing who they are does not change this. This is one of the most breathtaking, blatant lies, made to us by our PM.

And the provider company for the digital ID, the person set make ever so many more millions than he already has, Tony Blairs son. How are people OK with this?

Asked on another thread but no evidence provided.

Please provide a link to the facts that confirm Euan Blair’s company is going to provide the IT system for national ID roll out.

I can only find DSIT (gov) and that EB’s company provide coaching and support for apprentice programmes.

Beebeedoo · 29/09/2025 22:34

GoInFor · 29/09/2025 22:29

Asked on another thread but no evidence provided.

Please provide a link to the facts that confirm Euan Blair’s company is going to provide the IT system for national ID roll out.

I can only find DSIT (gov) and that EB’s company provide coaching and support for apprentice programmes.

it wont stop illegal working or the mass immigration issue.

dimsiaradcymraeg · 29/09/2025 22:37

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 29/09/2025 21:26

I have digital ID already (I'm from the UK but live in BC, Canada) and can't say I find it terribly concerning. It's pretty convenient.

Digital ID makes fake ID documents unusable (so employers could not longer be duped, or claim to have been duped), and having centralized information (meaning someone's work history, banking history, and use of all government services are linked together) makes it much harder for someone to go undetected. It will also be linked to housing (e.g. landlords will be required to check the digital ID of a prospective tenant).

Basically, it'll mean that to successfully live in the UK without a legal right to do so, someone would need to be entirely "off the grid", as the current workarounds and information gaps will be closed off.

Is yours compulsory? I might be wrong but I didn’t think it was?

I think people have 1, concerns about function creep which is compounded by 2, lack of trust in our own Government. Not to mention 3, the exponential cost of rolling out something which will cost more than it will save (if we focus solely on its primary purpose). And of course, the fact it is mandatory.

TheCurious0range · 29/09/2025 22:37

Beebeedoo · 29/09/2025 22:27

no they dont

They have national ID cards in Austria, Bulgaria, Belgium, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, the Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovenia, Slovakia, Spain, and Sweden.

Maybe your definition of lots of is different to mine....

logiccalls · 29/09/2025 22:39

BoredZelda · 29/09/2025 22:20

Discrimination against disabled people.

Can we stop pretending disabled people are not tech savvy.

Yes of course many people, for example a person with a walking impairment, will be exactly a "tech savvy" as anyone else. But, there are many forms of disability. Many involve particular difficulties with what smart phones require, e.g. manual dexterity, sight, coordination, concentration, or rapid hand-eye coordination. Some disabled people are olympic athletes. Nevertheless, it is wrongful disability discrimination, to make a public building inaccessible to anyone who cannot clamber up a flight of entrance steps. Disability and Age often co-exist, and so does double discrimination.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 29/09/2025 22:40

I have a strong suspicion it’ll make little difference one way or the other.

mamagogo1 · 29/09/2025 22:41

I’m fine with it if we can use it instead of a passport in the future for the EU, like other nationalities can. But I’ve got nothing to hide. Swiss voters have just approved theirs

toomuchfaff · 29/09/2025 22:41

BoredZelda · 29/09/2025 22:20

Discrimination against disabled people.

Can we stop pretending disabled people are not tech savvy.

Disabled means more than in a wheelchair... it includes the 83 yr old arthritic who definitely isnt tech savvy

TeenagersAngst · 29/09/2025 22:42

BoredZelda · 29/09/2025 22:21

The irony of people complaining about Digital ID on the internet. You give away way more information online than you would for a Digital ID. Your Tesco Clubcard tracks you more than the Government ever would.

It’s up to me whether or not I have a Tesco Clubcard. I don’t get a say in whether or not I have a digital ID card.

What problem that currently exists are digital ID cards intended to solve? If the only answer is to crack down on illegal working, that’s not good enough. The government doesn’t get to force something on me and other law abiding citizens because they can’t do their job properly.

Beebeedoo · 29/09/2025 22:42

TeenagersAngst · 29/09/2025 22:42

It’s up to me whether or not I have a Tesco Clubcard. I don’t get a say in whether or not I have a digital ID card.

What problem that currently exists are digital ID cards intended to solve? If the only answer is to crack down on illegal working, that’s not good enough. The government doesn’t get to force something on me and other law abiding citizens because they can’t do their job properly.

spot on!

EasternStandard · 29/09/2025 22:43

Yanbu it won’t do anything re illegal immigration. And is more about citizens. So no thanks

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:43

Cronyism at its best

EasternStandard · 29/09/2025 22:46

TeenagersAngst · 29/09/2025 22:42

It’s up to me whether or not I have a Tesco Clubcard. I don’t get a say in whether or not I have a digital ID card.

What problem that currently exists are digital ID cards intended to solve? If the only answer is to crack down on illegal working, that’s not good enough. The government doesn’t get to force something on me and other law abiding citizens because they can’t do their job properly.

Yep exactly this. Well said.

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:46

Inthedark81 · 29/09/2025 21:00

I am stunned that anyone is falling for this. Illegals/illegal working will still go on as they won't have digital ID just as they don't have a national insurance number or passport. Unscrupulous employers will still employ them.
Meanwhile, law abiding citizens will obediently sign up even though we don't need digital ID to solve anything that we've done, because we've done nothing wrong. It absolutely must be resisted. This is the start of something really concerning - social credit anyone? Switching off bank accounts if we do something they don't like or drive too many miles in the name of 'climate change'. Don't say you weren't warned.

OP, unfortunately you won't get a true discussion about this worrying over reach of government on Mumsnet

Excellent point

Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:50

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 29/09/2025 21:04

The UK does not know the identities of most illegal immigrants living unlawfully in the UK, and can only make best guesses at the numbers. Having a centralized means of data tracking would likely be extremely helpful, and make the UK a far less attractive place to try and illegally work in.

Tony Blair's son (Euan) is not involved with Oracle, who are expected to have a major role.

I don't think there's much truth in your post, OP - you're probably reading BS on social media.

How will it help ? police won’t stop and search and demand ID. Illegals will go on being undocument illegals . It’s just a money spinnng scheme bought into by people who think it will solve illegal immigration problem.

clipboardz · 29/09/2025 22:50

Switching off bank accounts if we do something they don't like or drive too many miles in the name of 'climate change'.

Why do the gov need id cards to do the above?

logiccalls · 29/09/2025 22:50

Yes, the international police do have the good sense to coordinate. But that is a particular and exceptional system. Our immigration system and our routine systems do not make any checks. Our civil servants were angry at the Brexit vote and ensured as ever that the 'deals' were whatever disadvantaged U.K. This can only have been forced by our own civil servants: It is unlikely to the point of being unbelievable, that international crime cooperation including fingerprint exchanges would have been something the E.U. and all other world countries would have insisted upon. As Interpol proves, everyone benefits from mutual cooperation and exchange of information.

TY78910 · 29/09/2025 22:50

logiccalls · 29/09/2025 22:39

Yes of course many people, for example a person with a walking impairment, will be exactly a "tech savvy" as anyone else. But, there are many forms of disability. Many involve particular difficulties with what smart phones require, e.g. manual dexterity, sight, coordination, concentration, or rapid hand-eye coordination. Some disabled people are olympic athletes. Nevertheless, it is wrongful disability discrimination, to make a public building inaccessible to anyone who cannot clamber up a flight of entrance steps. Disability and Age often co-exist, and so does double discrimination.

I really invite you to go in to your phone’s accessibility settings and see just how many aids there are for people who have all sorts of impairments who use smartphones as tools in life in general. Things that for people with no accessibility needs wouldn’t even know their phones were capable of.

Digital IDs will not replace physical documents for those who should need them. Further down the thread someone mentions an 83YO. This person will be retired and won’t need to use a digital ID for employment.

We also need to look beyond illegal immigration here. This is not the sole purpose of the program.

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