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Digital ID needs to be resisted, surely?

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Honish · 29/09/2025 20:37

There are just under 1 million illegal immigrants believed to be in Britain. The authories know who most of them are, and they are still here. Identifying them has never been the problem. We don't deport them, knowing who they are does not change this. This is one of the most breathtaking, blatant lies, made to us by our PM.

And the provider company for the digital ID, the person set make ever so many more millions than he already has, Tony Blairs son. How are people OK with this?

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Hulabalu · 29/09/2025 22:51

EasternStandard · 29/09/2025 22:43

Yanbu it won’t do anything re illegal immigration. And is more about citizens. So no thanks

This

TY78910 · 29/09/2025 22:52

TeenagersAngst · 29/09/2025 22:42

It’s up to me whether or not I have a Tesco Clubcard. I don’t get a say in whether or not I have a digital ID card.

What problem that currently exists are digital ID cards intended to solve? If the only answer is to crack down on illegal working, that’s not good enough. The government doesn’t get to force something on me and other law abiding citizens because they can’t do their job properly.

I hold a digital as well as physical ID card in an EU country. I don’t remember anyone holding a gun to my head insisting I had to download the digital version. It is a choice.

FrazzledHippy · 29/09/2025 22:53

Honestly, I've probably got more information on my phone than will be on a digital ID so I can't see what the big issue with it is

HedwigEliza · 29/09/2025 22:55

EasternStandard · 29/09/2025 22:43

Yanbu it won’t do anything re illegal immigration. And is more about citizens. So no thanks

I completely agree with you. It’s very scary to think what this could lead to in the future. Does Starmer think we’re all fools who’ll actually believe this is about illegal immigration? It won’t make a blind bit of difference and they’ll carry on working illegally just as they have been.

stickygotstuck · 29/09/2025 22:56

BoredZelda · 29/09/2025 22:21

The irony of people complaining about Digital ID on the internet. You give away way more information online than you would for a Digital ID. Your Tesco Clubcard tracks you more than the Government ever would.

Very much agree with this.@

EasternStandard · 29/09/2025 22:57

HedwigEliza · 29/09/2025 22:55

I completely agree with you. It’s very scary to think what this could lead to in the future. Does Starmer think we’re all fools who’ll actually believe this is about illegal immigration? It won’t make a blind bit of difference and they’ll carry on working illegally just as they have been.

Yep.

dottiehens · 29/09/2025 22:59

Inthedark81 · 29/09/2025 21:00

I am stunned that anyone is falling for this. Illegals/illegal working will still go on as they won't have digital ID just as they don't have a national insurance number or passport. Unscrupulous employers will still employ them.
Meanwhile, law abiding citizens will obediently sign up even though we don't need digital ID to solve anything that we've done, because we've done nothing wrong. It absolutely must be resisted. This is the start of something really concerning - social credit anyone? Switching off bank accounts if we do something they don't like or drive too many miles in the name of 'climate change'. Don't say you weren't warned.

OP, unfortunately you won't get a true discussion about this worrying over reach of government on Mumsnet

You may not agree with it but most countries have a national ID.

Greenmouldycheese · 29/09/2025 23:00

It won't fo a thing about illegal migration but it may help the government enforce rules later on down the line when we become a cashless society. The digital ID will be connected to our banks and they will be able to switch it off in an instant should we join a protest they don't like, critique them in any way on social media. It will eventually be connected to everything which will be a virtual prison. Once we all have one, the possibilities for control are extreme. Lots of MPs are coming together to sign a joint letter opposing this. It sounds like a slippery slope. I'd like to think it's a conspiracy, but the agenda 2050 all points in this direction.

WiseSheep · 29/09/2025 23:02

You are using social media.
I bet you have a driving licence.
You gave away your information years ago, so what are you worried about?

clipboardz · 29/09/2025 23:07

The digital ID will be connected to our banks and they will be able to switch it off in an instant should we join a protest they don't like, critique them in any way on social media.

but can't they do this now?

Sabrinathewitch · 29/09/2025 23:09

People who don't seem bothered need to wake up quickly their is no conspiracy if this happens the future will be very controlled

Wolmando · 29/09/2025 23:09

Some people like to be run by the government though, especially on here, look how they all wanted to be controlled by that Covid tracking app

clipboardz · 29/09/2025 23:10

But lots of critics are saying the gov already has the information

DervlaGlass · 29/09/2025 23:13

I am surprised how quickly people have forgotten that digital IDs were used to lock people up in many countries for having been detected in the same room as someone who had COVID. Random detention without warning for two weeks or more.

Meanwhile as pp note the government just lets criminal activity run unchecked.

Even if you don't care about you and your kids being detained in the future, why don't you care about paying for something that doesn't achieve anything??

Northquit · 29/09/2025 23:18

Horizon.

Teajenny7 · 29/09/2025 23:33

It always amazes me how many people on Mumsnet can foretell the future!

They always seem to be negative about everything.
They rarely back up their claims.

It must be exhausting knowing the future and that we are doomed!

Buxusmortus · 29/09/2025 23:35

BoredZelda · 29/09/2025 22:21

The irony of people complaining about Digital ID on the internet. You give away way more information online than you would for a Digital ID. Your Tesco Clubcard tracks you more than the Government ever would.

Exactly.
All the people kicking up a stink will already have allowed government access to their data via their passport and driving licence. If you bank and shop or buy any services online all those organisations have your bank and personal details stored and you're presumably perfectly happy with that. So much can be found out about you and your past from social media if you've ever used it, how much you bought your house for can be seen online.
It won't make a blind bit of difference to anyone's life to have digital ID.

Lavender14 · 29/09/2025 23:41

ThatDreamyLemonBiscuit · 29/09/2025 21:26

I have digital ID already (I'm from the UK but live in BC, Canada) and can't say I find it terribly concerning. It's pretty convenient.

Digital ID makes fake ID documents unusable (so employers could not longer be duped, or claim to have been duped), and having centralized information (meaning someone's work history, banking history, and use of all government services are linked together) makes it much harder for someone to go undetected. It will also be linked to housing (e.g. landlords will be required to check the digital ID of a prospective tenant).

Basically, it'll mean that to successfully live in the UK without a legal right to do so, someone would need to be entirely "off the grid", as the current workarounds and information gaps will be closed off.

However it quite simply won't work for all areas of the UK such as Northern Ireland where so many people class themselves as Irish as opposed to British and don't have British Ids such as passports and have Irish provision for this instead.

Stopping people from claiming asylum is a breach of human rights law which we absolutely do not want to be undermining as it benefits us all on the daily in many ways. Different for those who have had a claim denied and who fled, but those numbers are very, very low.

DervlaGlass · 29/09/2025 23:41

Buxusmortus · 29/09/2025 23:35

Exactly.
All the people kicking up a stink will already have allowed government access to their data via their passport and driving licence. If you bank and shop or buy any services online all those organisations have your bank and personal details stored and you're presumably perfectly happy with that. So much can be found out about you and your past from social media if you've ever used it, how much you bought your house for can be seen online.
It won't make a blind bit of difference to anyone's life to have digital ID.

Do you not remember the digital ID-basee detention during COVID, then?

Buxusmortus · 29/09/2025 23:43

Sabrinathewitch · 29/09/2025 23:09

People who don't seem bothered need to wake up quickly their is no conspiracy if this happens the future will be very controlled

What exactly do you think will happen in the future, what do you mean by controlled and how will the government carry out this presumed control?
It's pointless throwing out this type of comment just because you've seen some random rubbish spouted by a brainless idiot on tiktok or instagram.
I can guarantee you haven't come up with this theory by listening to or reading intelligent debate on serious news programmes or broadsheets.

logiccalls · 30/09/2025 00:11

TY78910 · 29/09/2025 22:50

I really invite you to go in to your phone’s accessibility settings and see just how many aids there are for people who have all sorts of impairments who use smartphones as tools in life in general. Things that for people with no accessibility needs wouldn’t even know their phones were capable of.

Digital IDs will not replace physical documents for those who should need them. Further down the thread someone mentions an 83YO. This person will be retired and won’t need to use a digital ID for employment.

We also need to look beyond illegal immigration here. This is not the sole purpose of the program.

Absolutely right of course, but there are problematic assumptions, nevertheless. The politician announced a jaw-dropping fantasy, that illegal immigrants and their illegal employers would suddenly stop business, for the lack of one document, when the whole point of the entry to UK and the whole point of the employment was based on the happy collusion of working without any documents at all.

The same politician instantly, and repeatedly, reassured the interviewer that the lack of this document would not in any way hinder mass immigration, legal or not, nor reduce international health tourism or benefits tourism and multiple benefits claim fraud, because it would never be requested for any taxpayer funded service. It would exclusively be used to prevent legitimate employers doing what legitimate employers already don't do. Legitimate employers already need,( with compulsion of serious penalties), to file copies of employees' passport, proof of right to work, tax and n.i.ns numbers etc.

By the way, an 83 year old may be running marathons, or businesses, or may be changing career or taking on extra work, so may not invariably be fully occupied being "retired". More to the point, the over-80's get a LOWER pension than the newly retired in their 60's. What's more, in a spiteful extra bit of Governmental Age Discrimination, the disparity is built in, and will increasingly impoverish the very oldest State Pensioners, due to a percentage linking. At 83, 93 and at 103, these will be the poorest of the poor.

UK has the worlds worst effective State Pension. The OLDEST are the least likely to have any private pension. Women have lower pensions than men, but the oldest women had the least likelihood of being in work attracting private pensions. A lot of very old ladies do not own their own homes. (Even if they do, they will typically be falling in around them, because they can't afford upkeep or repair)

If renting, they compete aganst mass population increase, against governments' ideological dislike of private landlords, resulting in many going out of business, and against council bribes/ incentives to private landlords, attempting to corner all available habitable space. Also, against an ever increasing mass of young people who refuse to learn degrees or anything else online, at home, while working, and instead insist on three year parties at council taxpayers expense, and insist on taking up habitable buildings while there is mass homelessness.

The old people, and the disabled people, who have to find somewhere to live, are not considered as being in any priority housing need, because they don't have a child under 16 with them, and they are not illegal immigrants. (Therefore they ought to live in a doorway or a ditch?).

In some areas there are twenty applicants for every letting, and computers select young double income earners with parents who put their own homes as bond. Charities are for addicts, or migrants, or alcoholics, or care leavers, or prison leavers, or ex service, etc. But never for ordinary old people or disabled people, if they have committed the crime of having any life-savings, INSTEAD OF having the private pensions they couldn't get.

Guess what the wartime and postwar people often did, knowing they would have no private pension? Some created little businesses and lived over the shop, selling up and leaving when too tired to carry on, and hoping the proceeds would last them out for their final days. Or, they lived entire lifetimes of scrimping and carefully saving every spare penny, saving to see their lives out. They have the below-minimum survival level of income from basic, old rate, state pension. Without private pension, the remaining money in their savings bank must buy them any home help or extra heating, or taxi fares to the doctor, and pay "for a decent funeral", and "not to be a burden" or a "beggar".

Having savings at all means they cannot get council housing nor pension credit nor any means tested reductions in paying full council tax etc. Having savings means they pay in full for any social care plus pay a surcharge, to subsidise neighbours who have been more spendthrift. It seems amazing it can be lawful that when two customers buy identical goods or services, one customer can be forced to pay towards what another customer gets, merely because one has saved and the other has squandered. (Or, has hidden. ) But being disabled and/or being old means being often demonised and almost never respected, nor sympathised with. Kittens and kiddies are 'cute', but few people, or politicians, care about old people.

OonaStubbs · 30/09/2025 00:15

They will only work if they are for everyone, of every age, and there has to be serious consequences for anyone found not to have one, not just a slap on the wrist or present it at the police station within so many days. Plus it should be implanted into your body so that everyone can be tracked at all times, shops could have scanners for instance so that known shoplifters can be identified as soon as they enter the store, criminals can be tracked 24/7, firefighters will know exactly how many people are in a building and where they are etc.

TeenagersAngst · 30/09/2025 06:55

Buxusmortus · 29/09/2025 23:35

Exactly.
All the people kicking up a stink will already have allowed government access to their data via their passport and driving licence. If you bank and shop or buy any services online all those organisations have your bank and personal details stored and you're presumably perfectly happy with that. So much can be found out about you and your past from social media if you've ever used it, how much you bought your house for can be seen online.
It won't make a blind bit of difference to anyone's life to have digital ID.

These are all choices we are allowed to make voluntarily. If this new system is mandatory, which it would need to be to work effectively, that choice is removed.

TeenagersAngst · 30/09/2025 06:56

TY78910 · 29/09/2025 22:52

I hold a digital as well as physical ID card in an EU country. I don’t remember anyone holding a gun to my head insisting I had to download the digital version. It is a choice.

So are you saying the new system our government is proposing is voluntary and I can choose to opt in or out? If so, that’s fine, I don’t have a problem with that.

EasternStandard · 30/09/2025 07:02

TeenagersAngst · 30/09/2025 06:56

So are you saying the new system our government is proposing is voluntary and I can choose to opt in or out? If so, that’s fine, I don’t have a problem with that.

I don’t think that’s what is being proposed. I agree though.