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Digital ID needs to be resisted, surely?

270 replies

Honish · 29/09/2025 20:37

There are just under 1 million illegal immigrants believed to be in Britain. The authories know who most of them are, and they are still here. Identifying them has never been the problem. We don't deport them, knowing who they are does not change this. This is one of the most breathtaking, blatant lies, made to us by our PM.

And the provider company for the digital ID, the person set make ever so many more millions than he already has, Tony Blairs son. How are people OK with this?

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TeenagersAngst · 30/09/2025 07:09

EasternStandard · 30/09/2025 07:02

I don’t think that’s what is being proposed. I agree though.

Edited

No, I don’t think it is either but @TY78910is suggesting I will have some sort of choice in the matter.

EasternStandard · 30/09/2025 07:14

TeenagersAngst · 30/09/2025 07:09

No, I don’t think it is either but @TY78910is suggesting I will have some sort of choice in the matter.

Yep if it was that fine. All the gov digital scheme posters could use it as they want.

scalt · 30/09/2025 07:33

I think that part of the resistance we are seeing now may be a backlash against lockdown: petition against is well over 1.5 million, and counting. While lots of people have tried to forget the horror of lockdown, the anger is probably still stirring in many people's minds. If the idea of ID cards had been proposed in 2019, I might even have welcomed it, sceptical as I am about many things.

In 2020, the thing that frightened me the most was not the virus, or even lockdown itself: it was the complete lack of public resistance, and the very vague communication from the government, which I'm sure was deliberately ambiguous, and also because they had no clue themselves. At first, nobody dared to question lockdown at all, and the tiny handful of those who did simply could not be heard above the banging of pots and pans, and the screams of "you granny murderer!". Not only did the public (and our so-called opposition) completely fail to resist, but they begged for more. So now, I'm reassured that there is a very clear backlash against the idea of digital ID. Even if it does get through, it will at least have been tried by the court of public opinion, which did not happen with lockdown.

With lockdown, there was no exit plan, no parliamentary scrutiny, no debate, no discussion of the blatant harms. People were frightened into accepting their children's education being destroyed, their loved ones dying confused and alone, their businesses being snatched away overnight, self-employed people who started at the wrong time losing their income overnight, it becoming a "new normal" to be micromanaged by the government, down to what you could and could not buy in shops, etc, and it became a "new normal" to "check in" everywhere you went. The list is endless. People accepted all this, without question, believing it was in a good cause.

Then we found out that Saint Boris and his merry men were partying throughout, while we made these massive sacrifices, so they knew all along that things weren't as bad as they were telling us. We found out that the government defrauded the country to the tune of billions, making their rich mates even richer. (And the Post Office scandal is still very fresh in our memories, as an extremely clear example of government IT going very, very wrong.)

Because of all this, people feel conned, and some people feel stupid for believing everything the government said. Indeed, Mr Johnson hinted "nobody was meant to follow lockdown rules to the letter" when he retracted his apology for Partygate. Lots of people now feel it's "them and us" with the government, on many things. (I've felt like that since the day that con man Tony Blair was elected, but that's another matter. And if Euan Blair is indeed going to be at the helm of digital ID: like father, like son.) Some people think that ID cards are going to be mission creep: starts as a "voluntary" scheme, then the goalposts are moved by stealth to make it compulsory. I'm sensing a strategy of this being released to the press to test the public reaction, with "adjustments" made once they see how the public reacts. It happened all the time in 2020: "masks might become compulsory in shops, more government guidance to follow." Then, behind the scenes, "yep, the public are still terrified and docile, we can keep playing with their minds."

Therefore, I think it is vital that there is some public resistance, even if it turns out to be in vain. It's reassuring to see that so far, the opponents of digital ID are not being castigated with "so, you want the immigrants to take over?", like those who have tried to remove the flags have been.

TY78910 · 30/09/2025 08:36

TeenagersAngst · 30/09/2025 06:56

So are you saying the new system our government is proposing is voluntary and I can choose to opt in or out? If so, that’s fine, I don’t have a problem with that.

Well on the gov website it’s outlined that nothing is finalised and that a committee will be held to address the concerns of the nation. They outline the features and benefits. They also mention that there will be other non-digital alternatives for people who don’t have digital ID. So all in all, I think people have fallen in to a state of panic over incomplete information.

EasternStandard · 30/09/2025 08:38

TY78910 · 30/09/2025 08:36

Well on the gov website it’s outlined that nothing is finalised and that a committee will be held to address the concerns of the nation. They outline the features and benefits. They also mention that there will be other non-digital alternatives for people who don’t have digital ID. So all in all, I think people have fallen in to a state of panic over incomplete information.

What’s the point? It won’t stop illegal working.

EasternStandard · 30/09/2025 08:41

’Concerns of the nation..’ if only. Don’t bother with it and notice the dire polling would be better.

TY78910 · 30/09/2025 08:42

EasternStandard · 30/09/2025 08:38

What’s the point? It won’t stop illegal working.

Nothing will ever stop illegal working. Just as much as it is on the illegal worker, it’s also on the opportunist that wants to hire them.

TeenagersAngst · 30/09/2025 08:43

TY78910 · 30/09/2025 08:36

Well on the gov website it’s outlined that nothing is finalised and that a committee will be held to address the concerns of the nation. They outline the features and benefits. They also mention that there will be other non-digital alternatives for people who don’t have digital ID. So all in all, I think people have fallen in to a state of panic over incomplete information.

The alternatives will be physical ID for people who don't have smartphones.

There is no suggestion it will be an opt-in programme. This would be totally useless.

I am also still not clear on the positives of introducing an ID system at this time. It will cost money (which apparently we don't have) and other than tackling illegal working (which it won't) the government don't appear to have clarified why we need it.

Other than that it's an idea Tony Blair has been desperate to get over the line since he was in power.

Boomer55 · 30/09/2025 08:44

The last arrive I read was that they will only be required for working age people, so older pensioners wouldn’t be affected anyway.

But not every pensioner is incapable of being tech savvy!`

Flakey99 · 30/09/2025 08:48

Illegal immigrants? Or workers who prop up the failing care system, hospitality sector, cleaning staff etc.. ?

I’d rather they let these workers stay and chuck out the cheap British born trash who don’t work and are a total drain on society.

(I’m not including people who don’t work due to genuine illness and disabilities but the ones we know who were born bone idle.)

TeenagersAngst · 30/09/2025 08:50

Flakey99 · 30/09/2025 08:48

Illegal immigrants? Or workers who prop up the failing care system, hospitality sector, cleaning staff etc.. ?

I’d rather they let these workers stay and chuck out the cheap British born trash who don’t work and are a total drain on society.

(I’m not including people who don’t work due to genuine illness and disabilities but the ones we know who were born bone idle.)

Im assuming you don't understand what is meant by illegal working. We're talking about the black economy, where people are 'employed' for £1 an hour and treated appallingly.

There's no evidence this is happening in the care system. That's not even what we're talking about here.

TY78910 · 30/09/2025 08:52

TeenagersAngst · 30/09/2025 08:43

The alternatives will be physical ID for people who don't have smartphones.

There is no suggestion it will be an opt-in programme. This would be totally useless.

I am also still not clear on the positives of introducing an ID system at this time. It will cost money (which apparently we don't have) and other than tackling illegal working (which it won't) the government don't appear to have clarified why we need it.

Other than that it's an idea Tony Blair has been desperate to get over the line since he was in power.

Yeah but anyone can just say they don’t have a smartphone. Like I say, it’s at proposal stage at the moment, we don’t know how it will work exactly.

There could be a return on investment when you no longer need to process a lot of manual data.

Streamline access: you will need just one ID in one secure place on your phone. This will make it easier to access some services without tracking down your physical passport, birth certificate or driving licence – as well as various utilities bills and council tax letters.
Increase efficiency: it will prove who you are instantly, instead of waiting for manual checks and paperwork. That means you can get faster service across government departments.
Reduce wait times: it will cut lengthy time spent filling in forms and document scanning by verifying your identity in seconds, rather than days or weeks for processing.”

EasternStandard · 30/09/2025 09:04

TY78910 · 30/09/2025 08:42

Nothing will ever stop illegal working. Just as much as it is on the illegal worker, it’s also on the opportunist that wants to hire them.

So don’t do it then. That’s the reason for selling this non-manifesto digital ID scheme in.

Honish · 30/09/2025 09:57

BoredZelda · 29/09/2025 22:21

The irony of people complaining about Digital ID on the internet. You give away way more information online than you would for a Digital ID. Your Tesco Clubcard tracks you more than the Government ever would.

Foolish and lazy comment, these oft-repeated soundbites are passed around parrot-fashion by those who want to look lofty and scathing to hide their ignorance and apathy.

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Honish · 30/09/2025 10:03

Flakey99 · 30/09/2025 08:48

Illegal immigrants? Or workers who prop up the failing care system, hospitality sector, cleaning staff etc.. ?

I’d rather they let these workers stay and chuck out the cheap British born trash who don’t work and are a total drain on society.

(I’m not including people who don’t work due to genuine illness and disabilities but the ones we know who were born bone idle.)

Sadly every country has its burden of its useless, work-shy and downright bad. But they cannot be turfed out, as you well know. Who would have them? So it's a silly, flippant remark. But how many more of the above have come in, legally and illegally, to swell their ranks? Far too many.

And yes I know, 'not all immigrants'. Obviously. Shouldn't need to waste everyones time with the bleeding obvious but tiresome people come along everytime with 'so you're saying all immigrants are a drain on society???'

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EasternStandard · 30/09/2025 10:05

Honish · 30/09/2025 09:57

Foolish and lazy comment, these oft-repeated soundbites are passed around parrot-fashion by those who want to look lofty and scathing to hide their ignorance and apathy.

Yeh the ‘Tesco Clubcard’ line is a bad one.

QuestioningQuorn · 30/09/2025 10:06

It should not be a private provider company. It should be a section of the passport office.

Honish · 30/09/2025 10:10

scalt · 30/09/2025 07:33

I think that part of the resistance we are seeing now may be a backlash against lockdown: petition against is well over 1.5 million, and counting. While lots of people have tried to forget the horror of lockdown, the anger is probably still stirring in many people's minds. If the idea of ID cards had been proposed in 2019, I might even have welcomed it, sceptical as I am about many things.

In 2020, the thing that frightened me the most was not the virus, or even lockdown itself: it was the complete lack of public resistance, and the very vague communication from the government, which I'm sure was deliberately ambiguous, and also because they had no clue themselves. At first, nobody dared to question lockdown at all, and the tiny handful of those who did simply could not be heard above the banging of pots and pans, and the screams of "you granny murderer!". Not only did the public (and our so-called opposition) completely fail to resist, but they begged for more. So now, I'm reassured that there is a very clear backlash against the idea of digital ID. Even if it does get through, it will at least have been tried by the court of public opinion, which did not happen with lockdown.

With lockdown, there was no exit plan, no parliamentary scrutiny, no debate, no discussion of the blatant harms. People were frightened into accepting their children's education being destroyed, their loved ones dying confused and alone, their businesses being snatched away overnight, self-employed people who started at the wrong time losing their income overnight, it becoming a "new normal" to be micromanaged by the government, down to what you could and could not buy in shops, etc, and it became a "new normal" to "check in" everywhere you went. The list is endless. People accepted all this, without question, believing it was in a good cause.

Then we found out that Saint Boris and his merry men were partying throughout, while we made these massive sacrifices, so they knew all along that things weren't as bad as they were telling us. We found out that the government defrauded the country to the tune of billions, making their rich mates even richer. (And the Post Office scandal is still very fresh in our memories, as an extremely clear example of government IT going very, very wrong.)

Because of all this, people feel conned, and some people feel stupid for believing everything the government said. Indeed, Mr Johnson hinted "nobody was meant to follow lockdown rules to the letter" when he retracted his apology for Partygate. Lots of people now feel it's "them and us" with the government, on many things. (I've felt like that since the day that con man Tony Blair was elected, but that's another matter. And if Euan Blair is indeed going to be at the helm of digital ID: like father, like son.) Some people think that ID cards are going to be mission creep: starts as a "voluntary" scheme, then the goalposts are moved by stealth to make it compulsory. I'm sensing a strategy of this being released to the press to test the public reaction, with "adjustments" made once they see how the public reacts. It happened all the time in 2020: "masks might become compulsory in shops, more government guidance to follow." Then, behind the scenes, "yep, the public are still terrified and docile, we can keep playing with their minds."

Therefore, I think it is vital that there is some public resistance, even if it turns out to be in vain. It's reassuring to see that so far, the opponents of digital ID are not being castigated with "so, you want the immigrants to take over?", like those who have tried to remove the flags have been.

Edited

Agree with every word. I have hope that things will turn out differently this time after 2020. BBC news have never regained former numbers of public trust, and many more have turned away in digest since then as their reporting becomes more and more biased and censored. We have never gone back to being the same people after the abuse of power during covid. I know I never have, and the way people turned on each other will always be chilling. Besides, hardly anyone has trust in Starmer who is looking more and more like a Blair puppet besides being weak, self-serving, and inconsistent with a petty, tyrannical streak.

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Honish · 30/09/2025 10:13

HedwigEliza · 29/09/2025 22:55

I completely agree with you. It’s very scary to think what this could lead to in the future. Does Starmer think we’re all fools who’ll actually believe this is about illegal immigration? It won’t make a blind bit of difference and they’ll carry on working illegally just as they have been.

I don't think many people at all will believe it, but most of them will probably do it anyway. Conditioned compliance, fear for consequences of their job etc, want of an easy life.

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Honish · 30/09/2025 10:15

OonaStubbs · 30/09/2025 00:15

They will only work if they are for everyone, of every age, and there has to be serious consequences for anyone found not to have one, not just a slap on the wrist or present it at the police station within so many days. Plus it should be implanted into your body so that everyone can be tracked at all times, shops could have scanners for instance so that known shoplifters can be identified as soon as they enter the store, criminals can be tracked 24/7, firefighters will know exactly how many people are in a building and where they are etc.

Is this satire?

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dynamiccactus · 30/09/2025 10:18

I see no reason to resist it . Even if it can be hacked, so can the Passport Office, the DVLA etc,

At the moment if I want to open a bank account I have to find non-existent paper utility bills or bank statements AND my passport AND my driving licence AND they'll decide to do a credit check too. Depending on the bank - some do a lot more checks than others.

If all that gets replaced with "here's my digital ID number", happy days.

But I only want it if it makes my life easier. It will make no difference to illegal immigration as you already have to provide ID/visa and NI number when you start a new job.

The disability angle is important (eg car parks should not be allowed to be app only) but it must be possible to provide disabled people with a physical ID card.

HedwigEliza · 30/09/2025 10:22

Honish · 30/09/2025 10:13

I don't think many people at all will believe it, but most of them will probably do it anyway. Conditioned compliance, fear for consequences of their job etc, want of an easy life.

My DH is in this camp. He doesn’t see the difference between this and a passport, and seems to think the government is benign, that this might serve our interests in some way. I just find it intensely irritating that the powers that be think the public are so stupid they’ll swallow this ridiculous reasoning. The government has no intention of dealing with immigration but thinks they can use the issue to force through ID cards. Which no one wanted or voted for. How democratic.

I think this is one of those issues where left and right can find common cause. Those who are wary of a Reform government in future should think long and hard about the implications of these IDs and what they could be used for in future when a different government may be in power…

EasternStandard · 30/09/2025 11:07

HedwigEliza · 30/09/2025 10:22

My DH is in this camp. He doesn’t see the difference between this and a passport, and seems to think the government is benign, that this might serve our interests in some way. I just find it intensely irritating that the powers that be think the public are so stupid they’ll swallow this ridiculous reasoning. The government has no intention of dealing with immigration but thinks they can use the issue to force through ID cards. Which no one wanted or voted for. How democratic.

I think this is one of those issues where left and right can find common cause. Those who are wary of a Reform government in future should think long and hard about the implications of these IDs and what they could be used for in future when a different government may be in power…

There are people on the left who don’t support it tg. Corbyn, Lib Dem’s, some Labour MPs. This is very much a Starmer thing. It wasn’t in the manifesto.

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 30/09/2025 11:17

I've lived in a country with ID cards and they were not problematic and were happily accepted. (Pre-digital) It was compulsory to carry one from teenage years.

My nervousness would be having ID cards with someone like Farage in charge.

The grey market hiring people illegally is huge in the UK and apparently one of the main reasons immigrants try to come to the UK (because they can get illegal work). Would ID cards help to crack down on this?

Ionlymakejokestodistractmyself · 30/09/2025 11:24

The government has no intention of dealing with immigration

What makes you think this?

Do you think the last govt was the same?