End to the genocide in Palestine?

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I'm so sorry but i couldnt tell you a thing Trump said. he was just talking

Evil Netanyahu talking now

I reckon his back was hurting standing there listening to Trump rabbit on (good)

Will Netanyahu stick to it? Doubtful.

Edit, to remove laughing emojis, even though Trump is laughable, they had no place on such a thread, sorry for any offence caused xx

There's no proof at all Israel attacked the flotilla. I'm sure Greta and her pals would have loved it if Israel was vehinf it but it wasn't a military grade drone, just a bog standard one available to anyone

https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20250909-gaza-flotilla-drone-attack-expert-analysis-greta-thunberg

He is, heck Hamas were in Qatar discussing one of his proposals when Israel attacked them and derailed the discussions.

Qatar and some other regional countries have been playing intermediary in negotiations.

I think people often forget what happened to the Jews, and not that long ago either.

Hitler and his murderous regime killed a THIRD of ALL JEWS in the most barbaric and inhumane ways possible. Six million people, gassed, shot, starved, brutalised. Tiny children wrenched from their parents’ arms, never to see them again. Families separated, to be sent to work to death or just murdered immediately. Can you even imagine this being the end of your beautiful child’s life? The last thing you see of them, crying and being dragged away with no idea what would happen to them after that? Knowing they would likely be gassed to death surrounded by strangers.

They have, understandably, been left with a fuck ton of intergenerational trauma and mental scars which most of us are lucky enough to never experience.

I’m not excusing the genocide in Gaza (and yes, that’s what it is), but Jewish people have been under constant attack for a century. People think they don’t deserve 1 small piece of land to call their own, finally a home they can defend and not be dispersed across the world, at mercy of whatever regime they end up in.

I won’t apologise for feeling very protective of Jewish people, who in the UK show impeccable British values and law abiding morals, and for taking a very dim view of people who think they deserve further instability and that ‘Zionism’ is a dirty word.

Does anyone honestly think this peace deal will work? Letting Trump head up the group running Gaza? Expecting Hamas to hand over all weapons and hostages before Israel does anything, even allows aid in?

I don't think it's realistic, of intended to work. I think they will use it's failure to justify their genocide.

It wont work at all. Hamas will never accept it and as vile as that sounds I hope they dont, what Israel have done they need to be held accountable for it. We didnt let Germany get away with it!

I've long thought that the "pro-Palestinian" movement don't actually care much about actual Palestinians, so I'm not overly surprised to read this.

All those ceasefire now banners on the hate marches clearly weren't meant to apply to Hamas. Just capitulation to barbaric terrorists by Israel

I don't think Pro-Palestinians care much about peace, certainly not for Israelis at any rate

My Palestinian friends in Gaza would certainly accept peace, renewed aid and the hope of a future for their children, even if justice isn't served against Israel. As would I. But realistically there's a long way to go before we can be sure this will happen.

Yes. In exactly the same way many have blanked out the plight of the hostages.

1. "If they can't or won't comply" - there is no "can't". Hamas kidnapped them; it is their responsibility to return them. The consequences of "won't" are crystal clear.
2. The complete lack of international outcry about those hostages who are now deceased. Hamas say "Oh, they were killed by Israeli bombs". Oh, really? How about when you take someone from their home by force, deprive them of their liberty by force, strip them of the most basic human rights ... you are responsible for their welfare. If they die, it's on you, no matter what the cause of death.

The Geneva Convention; the basic principles we all rely on, the much trumpeted "international law" seem not to apply to Jewish victims. So it's a bit rich expecting them to adhere to them when they hold the upper hand. Why the fuck would you expect a community that has been systematically, over centuries, persecuted, massacred and branded lesser by the international community, kowtow and toe the line when they are once again threatened with annihilation?

Jewish lives are very cheap and seen as a price worth paying to keep the peace.

Hamas should undoubtedly release the hostages and it is their responsibility to do so. But given that every day dozens of Palestinians, many of them women and children or queuing for aid, are killed by the IDF and we just watch it happen I certainly don't think Palestinian lives are valued.

My Palestinian friends in Gaza would certainly accept peace, renewed aid and the hope of a future for their children, even if justice isn't served against Israel. As would I. But realistically there's a long way to go before we can be sure this will happen.

Here's a post that shares your sentiments:

"The plan is bad, but rejecting it is worse—and therefore, it must be accepted. Period. Anyone who objects to it and claims to be pro-Palestine, I want you to imagine for a second that your family has been trapped in this genocide for the past two years. Idealism and self-righteousness are easy—until it’s your family being slaughtered for no reason and no goal."

https://x.com/KhalilJeries/status/1972744756212928789

The accusations of supporting terrorism are so tiresome and manipulative in the extreme. I doubt there's anyone here that thinks the actions of Hamas on Oct 7 were commendable or good, people just understand they didn't happen in isolation and out of the blue.

I lost some one incredibly close to me and if I ever got my hands on that man who killed him I would torture him for the rest of my days making sure he never knew a moment pain free. However, collective punishment Israel is doling out on all of Palestine including the west bank is evil and completely unjustified. How many kids do we have to starve until we feel we have justice for Oct 7?!

To the poster that wishes Hamas don't comply, what an absolutely rancid thing to think or want. In any war it's the people on the streets that suffer. In the genocide against Gazans this is more so and for this to be extended so you can have a "win" over Israel which would never happen anyway.

Yes it is a genocide, Bibi and the far right in the Kneset have said they fully intend to wipe out gazza and have met with property developers to redevelop it. Bibi has always been a Zionist of the most repugnant order and has made Jews significantly less safe in and out of Israel while claiming to do the opposite.

I hope both sides keep to the peace deal as despite trump being the front man of it, it's not bad, killing has to stop.

That's normally the terms offered to the party who is losing a war. People need to stop being antisemitic by seeing Israel's conduct as exceptional and cruel rather than typical and rational.

Considering the situation, Hamas is being offered a generous deal. (However, I do agree with posters on Tony Blair.)

Israel had defended itself against a terrorist group who committed the worst mass slaughter of its people since the holocaust, who continues to hold dozens of its citizens hostages, and whose stated aim is to wipe it out of existence. I think you’ll find it’s Hamas that needs to be held accountable.

Complete agree.

It is supporting terrorism. You say about Gaza but do you know how those people on the 7th were killed? There are people who have seen the tapes and released snippets of info. It is the stuff of nightmares and honestly feels like its stained my soul just reading about it. Do you expect Isreal to just take it after their history and then the sickening things that happened on the 7th? Yes, it is supporting terrorists.

It's a sad world when so many show no care for Isreal or the attacks against them.

Correct. More anti semitic garbage. They just keep trying.

Thank God for Israel. They finally said "enough" and will not bow down to these monsters who raped women to death.

One video showed an Israeli woman. A Palestinian murderer was raping her and at the very same time stabbing her to death. I cannot get that few seconds of video out of my head.

Children were burned alive, young people slaughtered in the streets.

These were civilians at a concert, during a cease fire. And Israel is meant to pretend these monstrous murderers are somehow trustworthy? Even as they refuse to release the last of the hostages they've been torturing for nearly two years?

Hamas attached Go Pros to themselves and filmed it all, laughing. They phoned their families afterwards to boast about it.

Israel should do whatever Israel needs to do. They have the world's blessing. Except for the anti semitic bigots, of course.

Netenyahu is a war criminal. Israel has been found guilty of genocide and creating a famine. The aid they are promising is frankly a joke in light of the amount of children murdered collecting food for their families. Some were targeted while they were with their parents. It was like reading about a war from the annals of history - starving out a civilian population to punish and force the hand of the evil powers that have assumed control of them, that they had no say in. I read somewhere that likening the condoning of the atrocities by the ppl of Gaza is like saying the whole of the Irish population supported the IRA. Most ordinary ppl just want to be free to live their lives and raise their families in peace. Tony Blair having any involvement whatsoever is an insult and probably being used to add a semblance of credibility and respectability to this plan - which is fucking irony for you.

Yep. Except for the war mongering, terrorist arse kissing anti semitic bigots.

Have you really, really not seen ANY of the widely circulated footage of top Israeli officials publicly speaking about getting rid of Arabs/ Arabs not being human/ all Arabs being terrorists?
NO ONE is saying oct 7th wasn’t a despicable act. Hamas are bad. Oct 7th and other attacks are bad. Committing genocide in Gaza is bad.

Basically this 👆in fact very well summed up @SomewhatAnnoyed

I thought all the pro Palestinian supporters would be absolutely delighted to see the end of Hamas in Gaza.

It’s an awful thing to post. No care for what happens due to Hamas not accepting.

Agree @SpaceRaccoon