Reform voters may not be racist but they are at least dangerously naive

[ChocolateMagnum]

AIBU to accept that some Reform voters may not actually be racist, but to be pretty certain that, if they're not, they are at the very least dangerously naive?

I thought we all got taught at school about how fascism took over in 1939s Germany? And there's so much out there at the moment showing why we are at a dangerous turning point in history again.

Why is it that the so-called non-racist Reform voters not see that they are aligning themselves with a covertly racist and fascist-leaning party and that their support risks tipping the balance towards a fascist dictatorship in the UK?

When did he say he doesn't dream or have thoughts? Genuine question as I didn't know that he had stated this. How do you get to be a KC if you can't think?!

Not only this, it actually directly opened the door loophole for the boats....Farage is ruining this country with his hysteria and people still want to believe him

Indeed. But I didn't because I know people are capable of not reading past the first 17 words if they don't want to read further.

I am a working mother, of course I know mother's pay for wraparound care. This is rarely as prohibitively as expensive as FT childcare can be during the preschool/nursery years. I have friends that work in care roles and have kids at school. They pay for the very affordable after-school clubs and breakfast clubs and crack on.

I never said everyone that economically inactive is sat on their arse doing nothing. The reality is that many of them could be a hell of a lot more economically productive than they are now. Even some of those with disabilities or with caring responsibilities. It will require training, flexibility and investment but this will be cheaper in the long term than paying for their benefits, importing in Labour and then paying for these migrants benefits, pensions etc too.

Why do you think migrants are automatically more qualified or better suited to caring roles than British people? Don't you see how many completely unsuitable people will apply for these roles seeing it as an easy way to access Britain? You are naive if you don't realise this. Caring is a difficult job with crap pay. This is true for migrants as well as UK citizens. The idea that there are loads of passionate, conscientious carers living abroad just desperate to wipe the arses of old UK citizens is just ridiculous.

I did read further but the other words really weren't necessary.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/22/you-asked-me-questions-ive-never-asked-myself-keir-starmers-most-personal-interview-yet#:~:text=%E2%80%9CI%E2%80%99ve%20never%20really,Nothing.%20No%20phobias.%E2%80%9D

Not only. It's a really hard subject and not many people get it despite the fact some politics is in the news everyday. Reading political news still doesn't equal understanding it

There’s no ‘loophole for boats’ in the same way every other EU country has the same problems.

Well would you agree that a foreign nurse is more qualified for a nursing job than a British layabout with no qualifications?

Yep. Labour gets oh they’re ‘doing something on immigration’. Whatever it’s bollocks. People are tuning out. Outside mn that’s obvious.

Did fascism and Germany not get mentioned in the post?

He says he doesn't have dreams but he doesn't say he doesn't have thoughts.

Add to that, total lack of emotion, lack of remorse and a callousness.......

I've never heard him say anything that I think he actually means.

Add to that, total lack of emotion, lack of remorse and a callousness.......

I've never heard him say anything that I think he actually means.

There are millions of mums like that here, we are raising British children. Seems we are very hated also because foreign, stay at home, nice man, house .....these aren't benefits, it's just life

British layabout?

I bet in the next breath you argue for better education, lower student fees, and better benefits for 'the poor people'

Please try and make the circle one day will you?

Do you actually write that with a straight face when posting this about Starmer, "It was extreme naivity to think that just because he looks like a geek, he was one. He is monstrous, much worse than Farage will ever be."👀

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As has been pointed out, Starmer has just out of the blue adopted almost the exact same policies as Farage on immigration.

We should fear weak men.

Now you are being naive.

The point I am trying to make is that a lot of the jobs we need to fill require a specific skillset, and putting someone who does not have that specific skillset into a job like that is a recipe for disaster.

You have to go to university and study to become a nurse. There are entrance criteria you have to meet, followed by three years of study. The existence of British people who do not have the relevant skillset does not help us fill these roles, and neither does restricting immigration to people earning over £60k.

Care work requires fewer qualifications than nursing, but you still need people with suitable experience and the right kind of interpersonal skills to do the job. I'd much rather my elderly parents were cared for by a lovely, kind, trustworthy immigrant carer than someone plucked out of the dole queue, wouldn't you?

Why don't you try and "make that circle"?

Perhaps we could have a system where Reform voters agree to be cared for, and for their children to be taught by, unqualified Brits. And people who didn't vote Reform can have whoever is the best person for the job.

Your original quote was that "a lot of these are stay at home mothers ".

Now we can debate whether when referring to "these people " you meant the unemployed and in which case your point doesn't make sense as the unemployed figures do NOT include SAHM.

Or you can claim that by "these people " you meant the "economically inactive " in which case I disproved your point with data from the ONS.

Honestly you are not going to win this debate based on facts, figures or reality so it would be a lot easier for you to follow the left wing fall back option of branding me a racist or a fascist or alternatively bring up a completely unrelated "well what about ".

It is quite naive to say that it is a skills thing. It is mostly for lower costs that we use immigrant labour.

Which keeps our wages down.....

You are being unreasonable to imagine that Reform voters all fall into at least one of two categories: "racist" or "dangerously naive".

Quite apart from anything else, the arrogance of this is electoral suicide.

In what way, could you explain please?

Fine, pluck someone out of the dole queue and pay them £20/hour to care for your elderly parents then.

As long as it's your parents and not mine, I don't really care.