To want a coffee shop with a no children policy

[Amiterriblex3]

In a coffee shop and have to listen to a bunch of 2 year old screaming, absolutely screaming at the top of his lungs. Their mothers might be immune to such noise but I am not. I would be embarrassed if my child screamed like that

Honestly I believe this the the parents fault. I would take my child outside if they were screaming, it’s not fair to the other customers. Parents should know better.

You can't moan at a business for a policy that's a) perfectly legal and b) they don't admit they have though...

They sound rather cunning!

And 12pm is the best time for a coffee! If you want to go at "normal time" and maybe have a light bite too.

Sounds like a plan, as yesterday kids were running around between people carrying hot drinks the staff had to step in and tell the parents to stop their children or leave, utter madness both parents on their phones.

YANBU

I go to coffee shops to take a break (I have kids) and the last thing I want is little Arabella screaming or watching bluey on the tablet without earphones

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Of course it's the parents fault.

They're supposed to be parenting!!!

A novel concept these days

I'd say the diffentiator here is that it's your kids who woke you up

Stay at home then

There’s hundreds of posts very similar to yours about dogs. You’ll probably find one that will totally empathise with your take on dogs. But let us dog owners enjoy this child free cafe one - we don’t get many…..

Dogs are it.

Children are people so the usual descriptive words are appropriate.

Unless we also want to start referring to anyone elderly, disabled, gay or an ethnic minority as it.

Quite fail for @JudgeJ s post.

”Adults Only” is not a new concept and lots of hotels do very well from it. I see literally nothing wrong with the concept of “The Quiet Cafe”, because we can all choose where to spend our own money. My local soft play has quite a nice cafe, but now DC are grown. I’d rather stab myself in the eye than go there. That’s not discrimination, it’s just no longer aimed at me, so I go elsewhere.

Sorry if I’ve missed it, but how come you’re so proud to have not gone in one? Like how can you have such a strong opinion of you e not been in one? Genuine question not goady, wondering if there’s something I don’t know about them

Open one then.

If you run a coffee shop, you don't really get to enjoy sitting in a childfree space in the same way as if you could just visit one.

Leaving aside children dogs noisy people I do think there’s a market for quiet dining. There’s another thread about hearing aids and noisy environments are really hard for people with impaired hearing. I’m talking here about really careful thought about furnishings where the coffee machine is cutlery there is a lot that could be done and I think there’s a definite market for everyone. One issue is more space per customer but I understand the financial constraints on owners.

I think one thing that really hasn’t helped is the fashion for very industrial decor in cafes. We are hopefully coming out the other side of it now, but I’ve never been into an industrial style cafe where the acoustics haven’t been appalling.

We have a small local community shop and I was in earlier in the week. There were 5 women in: 2 of them at least had buggies and there were about 2/3 toddler's /young children milling about and general getting in the way. I could barely get to the shelves to get the food. I did remark in hopefully jokingly way that it was busy today, the co-ordinator said to 1 of the volunteers not to let anyone else in for the moment, and asked another customer to wait outside for a bit until the others went away. Some other shops are like that as well and they should have a limit on how many buggies/prams are allowed in especially if they are a😔small shop. 😡😡😡😡😡😤😤😤😤

If you want to be connected to the local community, you need to deal with members of the local community.

But equally, if no one can make it financially viable to run a child free cafe, or wants to, then you can hardly demand that they exist. Be the change you wish to see in the world and all that.

OP is not demanding they exist, I think she just wants to go to one.
And I still think that popping out for a childfree coffee now and then is vastly different from slogging away working in one.

Interestingly, when I googled child-free cafes, the only one I could find (easily) was the one in Tipperary mentioned above!

Ooh, I would love this. Even better would be a quiet cafe because adults can be noisy too.

I'd say the only people who find a post like this to be goady and anti-child are the ones with the "they're just being toddlers" which is a bit cringy because you know that leads to things like "oh, boys will be boys' Anything to excuse lax parenting under the guise of 'letting them be babies/toddlers/preschoolers/children.

It's like "waaaaah, you hate my child, just because he/she makes some noise. It's natural for toddlers to scream,we clearly love our children more because we let them get it alllllll out".

A child free cafe takes nothing away from you or YOUR child at all. It's not like there aren't another couple 'over there'

I think its' more 'anti-child' to allow the behaviour those wishing for child free cafes are forced to endure. You'll forgo any kind of parenting to enjoy your own coffee/tea break and foist the behaviour on everyone else to do so. Meanwhile, child learns nothing about how to behave. Unfair to child as much as to patrons. Not going to make them anyones fave to be around 🤷‍♀️

I do not hate children, have a bunch of my own. They behaved when out, or we left. I was not going to reward MY children but foisting them on others who should not have to put up with misbehaving in what should be a quiet, enjoyable setting.
Also not one of those mums who have to spend every second with their children and make it my lifes work to 'let them be who they are'. Code for: 'discipline is not the way I parent'

Slight derail ....we've had a cat cafe open near us which sounds lovely! I'm hoping someone might treat us all for Christmas (£15 each for an hr at weekends - coffees etc, extra). I live in a flat and miss having cats 🐈 😢. Back to the thread, noisy children should be removed if they're disruptive and some cafes advertise as being welcoming to prams and children so families do have a choice (and I'd know to avoid - everyone happy 😊).

Cat cafes are lovely, I'd just want to check their welfare policy, that the cats get days off and have quiet places, etc. They need tighter laws than humans before I would visit!
There's a lovely one in Liverpool that seems to follow the cat laws, I hope it does!