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To think Trump has run out of plots to lose - threatening Portland Oregon with troops.

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MistressoftheDarkSide · 27/09/2025 16:07

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/09/27/donald-trump-portland-troops-00583380?nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nname=playbook&nrid=87159bb2-52df-4310-86e6-ee8648874c61

Would love to hear from any MNetters across the pond as to the reality of the situation there, is it a "war zone" and how you feel about the situation.

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Eyesopenwideawake · 28/09/2025 19:42

Uggbootsforever · 28/09/2025 19:26

In a nutshell, anti-fascists are on the side of freedom from oppression and dictatorships.

^ was the message I was responding to.

Hope that helps.

LOL! Busted! But I still think your argument that people who are against fascism aren't necessarily trans-loving-islamic-communists-kirk-death-celebrants who want to burn straight white people at the stake. Maybe they just want a fair and just society, y'know?

Uggbootsforever · 28/09/2025 19:43

Eyesopenwideawake · 28/09/2025 19:42

LOL! Busted! But I still think your argument that people who are against fascism aren't necessarily trans-loving-islamic-communists-kirk-death-celebrants who want to burn straight white people at the stake. Maybe they just want a fair and just society, y'know?

What’s fair and just about forcing women to share their spaces with men?

reganinpot · 28/09/2025 19:45

FaitesVosJeux · 28/09/2025 18:58

What is it with the conspiracy nut right wing frothing beserkers and their 'Google it' or 'Do your own research'. That's the best they can ever do when making their ignorant and outlandish claims.
Fuck but this place is overrun with Reform shills and racist twats lately.

Causation, or correlation? 'Google it' and 'Do your own research' turns these people into frothing, nutty conspiracy beserkers.

DIYagainstMould · 28/09/2025 19:50

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It's not better. In any way.

We still have safe, peaceful country

EmeraldRoulette · 28/09/2025 19:52

reganinpot · 28/09/2025 19:45

Causation, or correlation? 'Google it' and 'Do your own research' turns these people into frothing, nutty conspiracy beserkers.

I've lost the plot

It's me that's being accused of being a frothing conspiracy theorist and reform voter, yes?

Eyesopenwideawake · 28/09/2025 20:04

Uggbootsforever · 28/09/2025 19:43

What’s fair and just about forcing women to share their spaces with men?

See, there you go again – trying to segregate people into us and them.

Not biting. Sorry.

pointythings · 28/09/2025 20:23

EmeraldRoulette · 28/09/2025 19:52

I've lost the plot

It's me that's being accused of being a frothing conspiracy theorist and reform voter, yes?

No.

certainlycertain · 28/09/2025 21:39

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DdraigGoch · 29/09/2025 00:05

Uggbootsforever · 28/09/2025 19:02

But they’re not on the side of freedom. They’re on the side of TWAW, communism, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, Islamism, and the borderline persecution of anyone who is white, straight and ‘cis’.

They’re sinister as fuck, don’t mistake the enemy of your enemy as your friend. Calling yourself anti fascist doesn’t mean you de facto are.

Whereas Trump is quite happy with men in girls' changing rooms (even without the need to pretend to be women). He used to boast about going in for a perve - as a rich man no one would stop him.

DdraigGoch · 29/09/2025 00:08

Uggbootsforever · 28/09/2025 19:11

What is ‘opposing fascism’ though?

Because last time I checked, Islamic regimes are much further down the fascist ideology route than the West - extreme misogyny, theocracy, public execution.

Why doesn’t Antifa focus its sights on those before worrying about the States?

I think we all know.

Surely they're going to be more concerned with what's going on where they live (in this case the US) than what's going on in a petrostate thousands of miles away. It's only natural to prioritise one's home.

DdraigGoch · 29/09/2025 00:12

EmeraldRoulette · 28/09/2025 19:52

I've lost the plot

It's me that's being accused of being a frothing conspiracy theorist and reform voter, yes?

@Greenmouldycheese was the Queen of "just Google it" yesterday. Calling anyone who disagreed "uneducated, despite the fact that they had the facts on their side.

ThrowingTheTrowelIn · 29/09/2025 00:38

We live 2 hours from Portland, OR. It’s a mess. It used to be a nice place but it has bern ruined. We used to like going there on the weekends but not anymore. Now the only time we go to Portland is to fly out of the airport (it’s the closest major airport to us). I’m pleased to hear something is being done. It’s not safe at all.

Loadsapandas · 29/09/2025 01:26

@ThrowingTheTrowelIn How is it a mess? Can you describe the changes, maybe with verified stats?

mathanxiety · 29/09/2025 02:09

ThrowingTheTrowelIn · 29/09/2025 00:38

We live 2 hours from Portland, OR. It’s a mess. It used to be a nice place but it has bern ruined. We used to like going there on the weekends but not anymore. Now the only time we go to Portland is to fly out of the airport (it’s the closest major airport to us). I’m pleased to hear something is being done. It’s not safe at all.

How is sending in reinforcements to protect the ICE operation and facility in Portland going to do anything to make Portland nice again?

I'm in the Chicago area, and this evening's local news featured a large presence of masked ICE personnel, heavily armed, uniformed in battle gear, along Michigan Avenue and in a boat in the Chicago River, with no attempt being made to round up illegal immigrants, let alone the hordes of criminals alleged to have made their way to the sanctuary city.

They walked among crowds of shoppers and tourists and got a lot of stares. It is a beautiful weekend here - sunny, warm, and the city was full of people strolling around, enjoying the shops and the lakefront. There was a big half marathon this morning. Thousands of people traveled to the city, runners and supporters and race stewards. The Chicago Marathon will be run next month.

The deployment of anonymous and heavily armed personnel to the streets of American cities is an attempt to get people used to the sight, so that when trump and the Maga Republicans get their asses handed to them on a plate in 2026 and/or 2028, they'll be ready to refuse to accept the outcome of those elections. They're practicing for Washington DC, so theyll be able to refuse to seat a Democratic majority on Capitol Hill or swear in a Democratic president.

Edit - he's gradually turning ICE into a handy personal military force.

mathanxiety · 29/09/2025 02:13

Uggbootsforever · 28/09/2025 19:43

What’s fair and just about forcing women to share their spaces with men?

Sometimes you find yourself faced with a choice of least worst option, in the words of the late Pope Francis.

Voting on the basis of a single issue is myopic in the extreme.

Duckduckagogo · 29/09/2025 02:34

mathanxiety · 29/09/2025 02:13

Sometimes you find yourself faced with a choice of least worst option, in the words of the late Pope Francis.

Voting on the basis of a single issue is myopic in the extreme.

A person who will lie about the most basic human truth - men are not women, cannot be women, do not turn into women and do not belong in women's single sex places - cannot be trusted not to lie about anything else at all.

Of course the religion of transology has drastically affected hundreds of thousands of women and girls in the west who have been assaulted in women's prisons by men who should not have been there, had their trophies and sporting accomplishments and sporting careers stolen from them by men, punched in the face by a boxer who pretended to be a woman, been forced to put up with the worst of men (only predatory men try to barge into sex segregated spaces for women) in toilets, changing rooms and more, have had to have men groping and assaulting them during medical exams.

Women have been arrested (in Spain recently and also in Australia) for saying men are not women and little girls in many schools are refusing to drink water because they are being forced to share toilets with boys and are afraid to do so.

As you know, all of these things have happened and continue to happen.

But although pretending men can become women has indeed caused deep distress and physical harm to countless women and girls - the main problem is that a person who will lie about this basic reality cannot ever be trusted to tell the truth about anything.

And in the rare case that a person is so deranged they actually believe that men magically become women when they say so, that person is - of course - far too unstable to be trusted.

MainframeMalfunction · 29/09/2025 03:43

Duckduckagogo · 29/09/2025 02:34

A person who will lie about the most basic human truth - men are not women, cannot be women, do not turn into women and do not belong in women's single sex places - cannot be trusted not to lie about anything else at all.

Of course the religion of transology has drastically affected hundreds of thousands of women and girls in the west who have been assaulted in women's prisons by men who should not have been there, had their trophies and sporting accomplishments and sporting careers stolen from them by men, punched in the face by a boxer who pretended to be a woman, been forced to put up with the worst of men (only predatory men try to barge into sex segregated spaces for women) in toilets, changing rooms and more, have had to have men groping and assaulting them during medical exams.

Women have been arrested (in Spain recently and also in Australia) for saying men are not women and little girls in many schools are refusing to drink water because they are being forced to share toilets with boys and are afraid to do so.

As you know, all of these things have happened and continue to happen.

But although pretending men can become women has indeed caused deep distress and physical harm to countless women and girls - the main problem is that a person who will lie about this basic reality cannot ever be trusted to tell the truth about anything.

And in the rare case that a person is so deranged they actually believe that men magically become women when they say so, that person is - of course - far too unstable to be trusted.

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You think Trump’s objective is to protect women and girls?

The mind boggles.

flyingsquirrelsagogo · 29/09/2025 05:49

ThrowingTheTrowelIn · 29/09/2025 00:38

We live 2 hours from Portland, OR. It’s a mess. It used to be a nice place but it has bern ruined. We used to like going there on the weekends but not anymore. Now the only time we go to Portland is to fly out of the airport (it’s the closest major airport to us). I’m pleased to hear something is being done. It’s not safe at all.

In what way is it a mess?
is it such a mess that it needs troops on the streets?

SpidersAreShitheads · 29/09/2025 06:29

There are plenty of women on the political left who don’t believe that Charlie Kirk should have been shot for his unpleasant views. Nor do many of us believe that TWAW.

The Democrats were a disaster for women’s rights. Trump may be enforcing sex-based rights but he’s eroding the rights of women in so many other ways. Let’s not pretend he’s a champion of women. He’s a convicted sexual felon. Plus of course, he’s trying to gradually introduce an authoritarian regime where anyone who disagrees with him is persecuted and thrown in jail. It’s actually pretty scary.

America is in a hell of a mess. And it’s getting worse.

Duckduckagogo · 29/09/2025 07:00

MainframeMalfunction · 29/09/2025 03:43

You think Trump’s objective is to protect women and girls?

The mind boggles.

You think talking nonsense is any sort of response?

The mind boggles.

So, everything I said is absoutely accurate, as you are aware, and your attempts to pretend that pretending reality is not real and harming thousands of women and children was not an important enough issue to earn a vote have been completely debunked.

You're welcome.

Duckduckagogo · 29/09/2025 07:08

Residents of Portland, meanwhile, are delighted and grateful for the attempt to restore law and order.

x.com/ KatieDaviscourt/status/1972446374517264747

"Portland, Ore. — A resident living near the ICE facility praises President Trump for deploying the military/federal agents to quash Antifa: "I am so happy that President Trump is deploying the National Guard. We have been asking for help for months."

If your response is nOoOoOoOoOoO X is for nAzIiIsIsIssssss! you're as dumb as a bag of hammers.

X has approximately 586 million monthly active users. It is going nowhere and is still the most used site for news - as it has been for years.

https: // www.demandsage.com/ twitter-statistics/

StandFirm · 29/09/2025 08:04

Uggbootsforever · 28/09/2025 19:43

What’s fair and just about forcing women to share their spaces with men?

And you think the super traditional patriarchal model so praised by the Christian nationalist ultra right doesn't force women to do stuff for men that they're not comfortable with? That it's not built on coercion?

MistressoftheDarkSide · 29/09/2025 08:05

From what I've seen on social media, Portland residents going about their Saturday business, jogging, visiting a local hippy market etc, and expressing good humoured bewilderment at being portrayed as living in a Gotham adjacent environment, it's difficult to envision what is going on that merits military action.

Surely if they did feel under threat they would be welcoming the initiative with open arms.

I know everything these days is "curated" etc but I have also seen videos of ICE agents physically restraining women and throwing a couple on the floor when they have yes, been vocal about the situation but not physically aggressive. I've also seen these agents pointing their weapons at people filming very aggressive detentions.

These days I am very confused as to what constitutes truth or reality. It's as if we live in two co-existing realities, the one we see through the lens of media in all its forms, aandlived experience, and they are constantly flip flopping across the line of - well, reality.

I have little idea of what to believe any more, about pretty much anything.

So I've pretty much withdrawn from "life" except in terms of necessity. I wonder how many others are just quietly observing from their own little bubble without engaging because they don't want to be part of the problem.

And of course, this is how control is achieved, and how injustice flourishes. I'm buggered if I know how to live anymore....

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DuncinToffee · 29/09/2025 08:31

X is a powerful disinformation machine

StandFirm · 29/09/2025 08:42

DuncinToffee · 29/09/2025 08:31

X is a powerful disinformation machine

Wait til generative AI really takes off...